From: r.irvine@ukvoting.org.uk (robbie irvine) Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.politics.misc Subject: RESULT - uk.politics.misc charter change vote - Status Quo wins Date: 16 Jun 1999 00:19:57 +0100 Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary: uk.politics.misc charter change vote - Status Quo wins - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at Wed , 2 June 1999 23:59:59 GMT Proponent: 666@hack.powernet.co.uk Simon Gardner Votetaker: r.irvine@ukvoting.org.uk Robbie Irvine - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.politics.misc - -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Result 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers comments 4) Voting and Appeal guidelines 5) Rationale & Charter 1) Result The three options of the vote were: Adoption of New Charter (A) Status Quo (SQ) charter remains unchanged Re Open Discussion (ROD) discussion reopens STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo: Part 1: preference for adoption of new charter over Status Quo YES = 5 NO = 30 ABSTAIN (equal preference) = 3 Adoption of new charter does not get at least 12 more preferences over SQ than under it so fails at stage one. Part 2: preference for Re-Open Discussion over Status Quo YES = 10 NO = 25 ABSTAIN (equal preference) = 3 Re-opening discussion does not get at least 12 more preferences over SQ than under it so fails at stage one. Neither adopting the changed charter or re-opening discussion got more votes than SQ by the required +12 so the Vote fails at stage one. RAW PREFERENCES GRID CH SQ ROD Change Charter: [n/a] [ 5] [ 3] Status Quo: [ 30] [n/a] [ 25] Re-Open Discussion: [ 31] [ 10] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 3 votes preferred option one (change the charter) to re-opening the discussion while 31 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one (change the charter). However, as none of the options beat Status Quo by twelve or more preferences, the Condorcet count is irrelevant and Status Quo prevails. 2)Particulars of the vote Names, E-mail Addresses and Voter Your normal usenet name: Your email address: voter {R} {R}[a]sunshine%tm 1 Alan Fleming af[a]contractucok 2 Alex Dawson alex%dawson[a]uea%a-uk-uni 3 Alex Ray alex%ray[a]ukmedics%ocm 4 Andrew Gierth andrew[a]erlenstar%ucd 5 Andy Mabbett andy[a]pigsonthewing%ucd 6 Anton Rimner anton[a]handbooksucok 7 Bill Davies billyboy[a]gto%net%om 8 Brett Paul Dunbar brett[a]dimetrodon%ucd 9 Charles Lindsey chl[a]clw%cs%man%a-uk-uni 10 Christopher Dearlove chris[a]mnemosyne%ucd 11 Dab cheese[a]nildramucok 12 Dave Mayall david%mayall[a]ukonlineucok 13 David Cantrell NukeEmUp[a]ThePentagon%ocm 14 David Damerell damerell[a]chiark%greenend%o%uk 15 Edward King eaking[a]ulape%ucd 16 Ernest Vine vine[a]conwil%free-onlineucok 17 Fenris Wolf Fenris[a]reality8%ucd 18 Iain Bowen alaric[a]harlech%ucd 19 Ian Jackson ijackson[a]chiark%greenend%o%uk 20 James Coupe james[a]obeah%ucd 21 Jezza jezza[a]hotwells%freeserveucok 22 John ffitch jpff[a]maths%bath%a-uk-uni 23 Lyn David Thomas lyn[a]stuffing%ucd 24 Malcolm Mladenovic mbm[a]acm%o 25 Marcus Houlden upm-vote[a]flimflam%ucd 26 Mike Henry mike[a]tw2%ocm 27 neil p chue hong npch[a]tardis%ed%a-uk-uni 28 Paul Bolchover pb10003[a]cus%cam%a-uk-uni 29 Pekka P% Pirinen ppp[a]pirinen%ucd 30 Peter Corlett abuse[a]verrine%ucd 31 Remy Horton remy[a]broadway%cix 32 Sam Blackburn blackburn[a]nym%alias%net 33 Simon Gardner 666[a]hack%powernetucok 34 simon gray simon[a]star-one%o%uk 35 Thomas Lee tfl[a]pspucok 36 Tobias Erle vote-uk[a]kholdan%snafu%de 37 Tony Towers tony[a]fishblanket%ucd 38 Voter and Vote Re-Open Discussion----\ Status Quo-----\ \ Adopt---\ \ \ \ \ \ voter A SQ ROD 1 3 1 2 2 3 1 2 3 3 1 2 4 2 1 1 5 2 3 1 6 1 2 7 1 8 1 9 3 1 2 10 3 2 1 11 3 1 2 12 1 13 2 1 1 14 3 1 2 15 3 2 1 16 3 2 1 17 1 2 18 1 3 2 19 3 2 1 20 3 1 2 21 3 1 2 22 3 1 2 23 3 1 2 24 1 25 1 2 26 2 3 1 27 1 2 28 3 2 1 29 3 1 2 30 3 1 2 31 1 2 32 1 2 33 3 1 2 34 1 35 36 3 1 2 37 1 2 3 38 3 1 2 3) Votetakers Comments First Apologies for the time taken to count the vote, I cracked the back quarter off of one of my teeth and found concentrating for more than about 10 minutes difficult. As usual yet another simple vote with the exception that it had to be counted by Condorcet. In this votetakers opinion if this voting method becomes the norm (as it appears to be going the way of) then a simpler method for counting and displaying the results has to be found. It takes a while for some UKVoting members to get their heads round it so god help lay people. Again another person voted from an nym account. What is an nym account I hear you ask - --begin quote-- The nym.alias.net server allows you to send and receive E-mail pseudonymously through a username of your choice on nym.alias.net. If, for instance, you choose username , you will be able to send and receive E-mail at that address, and even get fingered at that address. The system is designed to prevent anyone, even the administrators of nym.alias.net, from finding out the real person behind any mail alias. If you use this service properly, an adversary will have to compromise multiple remailers operated by different people in order to find out your real identity. - --end quote-- This of course makes any verification that someone isn't multiple voting impossible, and in this votetakers opinion votes from this source should not be allowed. 4) Voting and Appeal guidelines This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. 5) Rationale & Charter Charter Change for uk.politics.misc Newsgroups Line: uk.politics.misc General discussion with some politics thrown in CHARTER: uk.politics.misc. uk.politics.misc is a group aimed at wide ranging discussion about, well, anything at all really. Try to keep it vaguely politics-ish. Cross posting: is tremendous fun. Advertising: Is a bit of a pain, man. Binaries: Binaries (apart from PGP signatures) are not permitted, but directions as to where binaries may be found are welcomed. Robbie Irvine r.irvine@ukvoting.org.uk -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBN2bfkWOfGXkh8vHZAQH6JQP9GZxjQ+s7AyFPp8F+JLEADAO6w4RhfEtz ajMSZTgjwzspI1d6goIERl7j5RZFiEny058YWIT0v5LMAldOw6iK9/tnDC29asnj /6+QXuAwdc59i5yR/ThJ9aJAoMwD19D9D5pMFKwEgUdA3P6MEaNhYLOd0y+U/Ivv s9MsNN8jaeo= =wdMY -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----