14 Sep 2000: Create new newsgroup uk.philosophy.atheism
From: alan@whirlnet.co.uk (Alan Ford)
Date: Thu, 14 Sep 2000 00:28:24 +0100
Subject: RESULTS: New Newsgroup uk.philosophy.atheism PASSES (OPTION 2)
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,alt.atheism,talk.atheism,uk.philosophy.misc
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
New Newsgroup uk.philosophy.atheism PASSES with OPTION 2
(no proselytising clause)
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Voting began Friday 18th August 2000
Voting closed Friday 8th September 2000 23:59:59 BST
Proponent: andy roberts <andy.roberts@zetnet.co.uk>
Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.co.uk (Alan Ford)
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DISTRIBUTION
These results have been posted to:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
alt.atheism
talk.atheism
uk.philosophy.misc
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RESULTS COUNTING
The three options were:
1) Create New Newsgroup (YES OPTION 1)
with all the proposed charter
2) Create New Newsgroup (YES OPTION 2)
without proselytising clause
3) Status Quo (SQ) no new newsgroup
4) Re Open Discussion (ROD) discussion reopens
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Yes, Option 1 preferred to SQ by 52 : 46 - FAILS +12 rule
Yes, Option 2 preferred to SQ by 70 : 23
Re-Open Discussion preferred to SQ by 62 : 30
The following options beat Status Quo by the required 12 votes,
and therefore proceed to the next stage:
Yes, Option 2
Re-Open Discussion
STAGE TWO - Comparison of remaining options:
Yes, Option 2 is preferred to Yes, Option 1 by 52 : 41
Yes, Option 2 is preferred to Status Quo by 70 : 23
Yes, Option 2 is preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 68 : 28
Yes, Option 2 is therefore a condorcet winner
YES OPTION 2 was preferred to all the other options, and had a majority
of more than twelve over the Status Quo, therefore the group is created
with the charter as given below.
There were a total of 101 votes.
There will be a five day discussion period after these results have
been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations
of irregularities to be raised.
The Rationale, Summary of Discussion, Proposal, and Charter follow
the main results for informational purposes.
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
OP1 OP2 SQ ROD
OP1 [n/a] [ 41] [ 52] [ 46]
OP2 [ 52] [n/a] [ 70] [ 68]
SQ [ 46] [ 23] [n/a] [ 30]
ROD [ 52] [ 28] [ 62] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 52 votes preferred
option one (OP1) to SQ while 28 votes preferred reopening the discussion
to option two (OP2).
OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID
OP1 OP2 SQ ROD
OP1 [n/a] [-11] [ 6] [ -6]
OP2 [ 11] [n/a] [ 47] [ 40]
SQ [ -6] [-47] [n/a] [-32]
ROD [ 6] [-40] [ 32] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were
cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option
appropriate to the number's row.
As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive,
Option 2 (OP2) was preferred to all other options and hence wins the
ballot.
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THE RESULTS IN FULL
Total Votes: 101
Re-Open Discussion-----------------------------------------------------------+
Status Quo----------------------------------------------------------------+ |
Yes, Option 2----------------------------------------------------------+ | |
Yes, Option 1-------------------------------------------------------+ | | |
| | | |
Aidan Folkes aidan@celestis@freeserve@OC@KU 1 2 4 3
Alex Dawson alex@dawson67@fsTEN@OC@KU 1 4 3 2
Andrew Hartley andrew@eastupham@freeserve@OC@KU 4 1 2 3
Andrew Norman nja@le@ac@KU 4 1 3 2
Andrew Stoker andrew@peek-a-boo@GRO@KU 3 4 1 2
Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing@GRO@KU - - 2 1
Andy Roberts andy@roberts@zetTEN@OC@KU 1 2 3 4
Ann Wood ann@wood@pemail@TEN 3 3 1 2
Be OS beos51@hotmail@OCm 4 3 2 1
Bernard Peek bap@shrdlu@OCm 4 1 2 3
Brett Paul Dunbar brett@dimetrodon@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3
Brian Brian@bjforster@force9@OC@KU 3 1 2 1
Bryan Kennerley briank@btinterTEN@OCm 1 2 - -
Calum MacLeod mmacle@scri@sari@ac@KU 4 1 3 2
Charles F Hankel charles@hankel@freedombird@TEN 1 2 4 3
Charles Lindsey chl@clw@cs@man@ac@KU 2 1 1 1
Chris Hall chris@clapham@GRO 1 2 4 3
Christopher G Brannigan c@g@brannigan@btinterTEN@OCm 4 3 1 2
Craig Hardie craig@algatis@GRO 1 2 4 3
Danny Collman ddOCllman@hwthwood@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3
Dave Hillam dave@hbarTEN@freeserve@OC@KU - 1 - 2
Dave Mason dave@lowjobs@OC@KU 3 4 1 2
Dave Mayall david@mayall@KUonline@OC@KU 4 3 1 2
Dave Roberts dave@smartproof@OC@KU 1 2 3 4
David Damerell damerell@chiark@greenend@GRO@KU 3 2 2 1
David Jackson david@middleroom@demon@OC@KU 1 4 3 2
David Mahon KUpa1@amigo@OC@KU 2 3 4 1
Dev Null dev@null@ntlworld@OCm 4 4 1 2
Devi Jankowicz anima@devi@demon@OC@KU 4 1 3 2
Eddie Bernard useTEN@ebernard@greatxscape@TEN 1 2 4 3
Edward King eaking@ulape@GRO@KU 3 1 3 2
Fish fish@infidels@GRO 1 4 4 4
Frankie Roberto frankie@roberto@lineone@TEN 1 2 3 4
Geoff (Blade Runner) black-dog@geocities@OCm 4 1 4 4
Glenys Pople gkp@howfen@demon@OC@KU 4 1 3 2
Graham Drabble graham@drabble@lineone@TEN 4 3 1 1
Graham Nye graham@tyndale@demon@OC@KU 4 2 3 1
Guy MGROan guy@first-light-services@OC@KU 4 1 2 4
Gwen Jones gwen_jones@cybergal@OCm 1 2 4 3
Harlequin harlequin@fnord@GRO@KU 1 2 4 3
Hugh Simmons hugh@st-ronan@demon@OC@KU 3 1 4 2
Iain Bowen alaric@alaric@GRO@KU 4 1 2 3
Ian Bush I@J@Bush@dl@ac@KU 1 4 3 2
Ian Chard ichard@cadence@OCm 2 1 4 3
Ian Peattie ian@john-richard@OC@KU 4 2 3 1
Jack & Megan renegade@stormshadow@OC@KU 2 1 4 3
James Coupe james@zephyr@GRO@KU 3 2 2 1
James Farrar flynny@redhotant@OCm 2 1 4 3
Jezza jezza@hotwells@freeserve@OC@KU 1 4 3 2
John Davies john@redwoods@demon@OC@KU 1 2 - -
Jon Plews jonplews@dial@pipex@OCm 1 2 3 4
Jon Thomson jon@thomson2273@freeserve@OC@KU 3 3 1 2
Justa Lurker jlurker@bigfoot@OCm 4 1 1 3
Kath Collman kath@hwthwood@demon@OC@KU 4 2 1 3
Kevin Andreoli kevin@andreoli@freeserve@OC@KU 3 1 4 2
Laurent Neyret neyret@wannadoo@fr 2 1 4 3
M@ mgk@ecs@soton@ac@KU 4 1 3 2
Mark Eller Marell@ellmar@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3
Mark Goodge mark@good-stuff@OC@KU 4 1 3 2
Mark Tyndall mrt102@york@ac@KU 3 1 1 2
Mark Wright mark@wright@bristol@ac@KU 1 2 4 3
Martin Thomas martin@albedosystems@OCm 2 1 4 3
Max Boucher max@mbstockwell@freeserve@OC@KU 1 4 3 2
Michael Parry Michael@cavrdg@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3
Mike Fleming mike@tauzero@freeserve@OC@KU 4 1 2 3
Mike Henry mike@tw2@OCm 4 1 3 2
Niles alex@foster@zetTEN@OC@KU 1 4 4 4
Patrick Herring p@herring@dcs@shef@ac@KU 3 1 4 2
Paul Hutchinson pmh@classicfm@TEN 1 2 4 3
Paul Leake P@J@Leake@durham@ac@KU 3 1 4 2
Paul Paul@xebon@clara@OC@KU 4 3 2 1
Pekka P@ Pirinen ppp@pirinen@demon@OC@KU 3 4 1 2
Peter H@M@ Brooks peter@new@OC@za 1 2 4 3
Peter Munn pmunnsub@pearce-neptune@demon@OC@KU 1 1 2 3
Peter Parry peter@wpp@ltd@KU 4 1 3 2
Phil Clark phil@saxmund@demon@OC@KU 1 2 3 4
Phil Wade philwade@bigfoot@OCm 1 2 4 3
Philip Baker phil@thalasson@OCm 3 3 1 2
Philip Boys pgboys@btinterTEN@OCm 1 2 4 4
Philip Powell philip@blencathra@GRO@KU 4 1 3 2
Richard Kennaway jrk@sys@uea@ac@KU 3 1 - 2
Richard Kettlewell rjk+KUpa01@sfere@greenend@GRO@KU 1 1 2 1
Simon Gardner 666_@hack@powerTEN@OC@KU 1 4 2 3
simon gray simon@star-one@GRO@KU 4 1 2 3
Simon Miller miller@bits@bris@ac@KU 4 1 3 2
Sleepalot sleepy@carlisle98@freeserve@OC@KU 1 2 - -
SomeBlokeCalledRapunzelSy rapunzel@KU-rec-sheds@GRO@KU 1 2 4 3
Stephen Baird steve@grinning-cat@OC@KU 2 1 4 3
Steve Toledo-Brown Stephen_Toledo_Brown@KU@ibm@OCm 4 1 3 2
Steven Hilton sth6@le@ac@KU 1 3 4 2
Stuart O'Donnell spod@veniOCnes@demon@OC@KU 3 1 2 4
Tez Boyes tez@pierrot@OC@KU 2 1 - 3
The Proximate Cluebat cluebat@earthlink@TEN 1 2 4 3
Thomas Lee tfl@psp@OC@KU 4 3 2 1
Tim Walls tim@snowgoons@fsTEN@OC@KU 4 1 2 3
Tobias Erle torex@gmx@de 1 4 3 2
Tony Towers tony@cats@tele2@OC@KU 3 1 1 2
Tony tony@tagman@demon@OC@KU 4 1 3 2
zith zith@zith@OC@KU 4 1 3 2
Zuq Fis allah_is_god@hotmail@OCm - - 1 4
{R} {R}@news@semolina@GRO 1 2 3 4
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VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS:
There was an extremely large turnout for this vote, especially
considering it is simply for a group creation (albeit a contentious
one) -- certainly the largest vote I've ever handled!
Anyway, the result seems pretty clear and decisive.
Many voters were re-voting closer to the end of the vote after
changing their minds -- another thing I had not seen before in any
significantly large numbers.
Interestingly, towards the end of the vote, when usually the votes
arriving tail off, I was receiving about three a day. It seems
interest in this vote has spread far and wide.
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PROPONENT'S RATIONALE:
An atheist group in uk.* is long overdue, support
having been demonstrated long ago, but doesn't fit
anywhere else that is acceptable. The newly formed
uk.philosophy sub-hierarchy provides a suitable home
for this group.
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PROPONENT'S SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION
During the official discussion period, over 600 messages were posted
stating a variety of points of view, much of it concerning the
proselytism clause.
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NEWSGROUP LINE
uk.philosophy.atheism Atheist philosophy, UK atheism + atheists
CHARTER: uk.philosophy.atheism (not moderated)
Philosophical and general discussion of atheism in the UK.
Advertisements are banned.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Posts must be readable as plain text.
HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are prohibited.
END CHARTER
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WHAT WAS VOTED AGAINST
The alternative "yes" option, Option 1, the one that did not win,
included the following text in the charter:
Non-atheists, humanists and agnostics are welcome to take part
but proselytising by christians and other theists is considered
off-topic and unwelcome.
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Alan Ford <alan@whirlnet.co.uk> <a.ford@ukvoting.org.uk>
UKVoting Votetaker
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