Path: oaktree.co.uk!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!diablo.theplanet.net!dispose.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: alan@whirlnet.co.uk (Alan Ford) Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management Subject: RESULTS: Amend Guidelines - Template Creation PASSES with Option 1 Followup-To: uk.net.news.management Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 10:31:12 GMT Sender: control@clw.cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Approved: Charles Lindsey acting as control Message-ID: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 961154011 mail2news:5362 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!serenity.mcc.ac.uk!nessie.mcc.ac.uk!clw.cs.man.ac.uk Lines: 326 Xref: oaktree.co.uk uk.net.news.announce:1841 uk.net.news.config:91247 uk.net.news.management:15233 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Amend Guidelines: Template Creation PASSES with Option 1 - -------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting began Thursday 18 May 2000 Voting closed Friday 9 June 2000 23:59:59 BST Proponent: Philip Powell Primary Votetaker: Alan Ford Secondary Votetaker: Richard Ashton - --------------------------------------------------------------------- DISTRIBUTION These results have been posted to: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.net.news.management - -------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULTS COUNTING The three options were: 1) Amend Guidelines with Option 1 (YES: OPTION 1) 2) Amend Guidelines with Option 2 (YES: OPTION 2) 3) Status Quo (SQ) no new newsgroup 4) Re Open Discussion (ROD) discussion reopens STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo: Option 1 preferred to SQ by 30 : 8 Option 2 preferred to SQ by 30 : 7 Re-Open Discussion preferred to SQ by 27 : 8 All options beat status quo by at least 12 votes and so continue... STAGE TWO - Remaining options compared with each other Option 1 is preferred to Option 2 by 19 : 15 Option 1 is preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 29 : 9 Option 2 is preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 30 : 7 "YES: Option 1" was preferred to all the other options, and had a majority of more than twelve over the Status Quo, therefore the group is created with the charter as given below. There were a total of 38 votes. There will be a five day discussion period after these results have been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations of irregularities to be raised. The Rationale, Summary of Discussion, Proposal, and Charter follow the main results for informational purposes. RAW PREFERENCES GRID OP1 OP2 SQ ROD OP1 [n/a] [ 19] [ 30] [ 29] OP2 [ 15] [n/a] [ 30] [ 30] SQ [ 8] [ 7] [n/a] [ 8] ROD [ 9] [ 7] [ 27] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 30 votes preferred Option 1 to SQ while 7 votes preferred Re-Opening the Discussion to Option 2. OPPOSITE COMPARISONS GRID OP1 OP2 SQ ROD OP1 [n/a] [ 4] [ 22] [ 20] winner OP2 [ -4] [n/a] [ 23] [ 23] SQ [-22] [-23] [n/a] [-19] ROD [-20] [-23] [ 19] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option appropriate to the number's row. As shown by all the numbers in its row in the lower grid being positive, Option 1 was preferred to all other options and hence wins the ballot. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ THE RESULTS IN FULL Total Votes: 38 Re-open discussion-----------------------------------------------------------+ Status quo----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Yes: Option 2----------------------------------------------------------+ | | Yes: Option 1-------------------------------------------------------+ | | | | | | | Alex D Baxter alex-news@oenone@demon@OC@KU 4 3 2 1 Alex Dawson alex@dawson@uea@ac@KU 4 3 1 2 Alex Holden votes@alexh@clara@OC@KU 1 2 3 4 Andrew Hartley andrew@eastupham@freeserve@OC@KU 1 4 3 2 Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing@demon@OC@KU 1 1 3 2 Big Al al@mcwatterss@freeserve@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Charles Lindsey chl@clw@cs@man@ac@KU 1 3 2 2 Dave Root daveroot@btinternet@OCm 2 1 4 3 David Mahon dmahon@amigo@OC@KU 4 1 3 2 Graham Drabble graham@drabble@lineone@TEN 3 1 4 2 Guy Morgan Guy@first-light-services@OC@KU 2 1 - - Ian Chard ichard@cadence@OCm 1 2 4 3 James Coupe james@zephyr@GRO@KU 1 2 4 3 James Farrar flynny@redhotant@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Jezza jezza@hotwells@freeserve@OC@KU 2 1 4 3 Jilli jilli@gmt@prestel@OC@KU 4 1 3 2 John Line jml4@cus@cam@ac@KU 1 2 4 3 Jon Thomson jon@thomson2273@freeserve@OC@KU 3 3 1 2 Lyn David Thomas lyn@cibwr@freeserve@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Marcus Houlden qc-vote@nukesoft@OC@KU 2 1 4 3 Mark Goodge mark@good-stuff@OC@KU 2 1 4 3 Mark Tyndall mrt102@york@ac@KU 1 2 3 4 Mike Fleming mike@tauzero@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Molly Mockford molly@mockfords@clara@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Nick Regan nick@nregan@OC@KU 2 1 4 3 Paul Paul@xebon@clara@OC@KU 1 1 2 3 Peter Munn pmunnsub@pearce-neptune@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Philip Powell philip@blencathra@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Richard Clayton richard@turnpike@OCm - - 1 2 Richard Kettlewell rjk+uk-qcreate-vote@sfere@greenend@GRO@KU 3 4 1 2 Steve Wright steve@wrightnet@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Stuart O'Donnell spod@venicones@demon@OC@KU 2 1 4 3 The NewsBrowser ak_soto@yahoo@OC@KU 4 1 3 2 Thomas Lee tfl@psp@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 Tim Sharrock tjsharrock@iee@GRO 2 1 4 3 Tim Walls tim@snowgoons@fsnet@OC@KU 2 1 3 4 Tony Towers tony@cats@tele2@OC@KU 1 - - - Tony tony@tagman@demon@OC@KU 1 2 4 3 - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS: The smallish turnout for this vote quite surprised me, but the result seems fairly conclusive. Voting ran smoothly and almost everyone filled in their ballots correctly first time. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ PROPONENT'S RATIONALE: It is an oft repeated complaint that creation of newsgroups is "too difficult", and further that the process becomes bogged down in circular arguments about the same thing time upon time. There can be no logic in re-hashing such arguments time and again, and it is desirable that the group creation process should include such shortcuts as can reasonably be provided for. One area where such shortcuts may prove expedient is in the case of groups where there is a clearly identifiable "set" of groups which might at some point in the future populate the hierarchy. An example would be uk.sport.football.clubs.*. Whilst one solution might be to create all possible groups from the outset, this approach leads to unused groups attracting spam, which may well be unusable by the time people arrive wanting to use them, and does not inspire confidence in the management of the hierarchy amongst newsadmins. This proposal seeks to establish a new procedure. A new type of RFD will be introduced to create group templates (to be known as a group template RFD). This RFD will specify the generic charter for groups within the set and specify the extent of set (e.g. All Premiership and Division 1 clubs) Once a template RFD has passed, all groups within the set are deemed to be approved for creation, and that creation will occur upon receipt [and verification] by control of a request from 12 individuals for that group [subject to the outome of any objections raised]. If the proposal passes, group template RFDs will be submitted immediately for uk.sport.football.clubs. UKVoting Votetaker