09 May 2001: Motions of No Confidence

From: Alex Holden <vote-noconf@rdns.org.uk>
Date: Wed, 09 May 2001 13:41:15 +0100
Subject: RESULT: Motions of No Confidence: Main proposal PASSES,
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management


                     RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Summary: Motions of No Confidence: Main proposal PASSES, Option A PASSES

PROPOSAL - Include Motions of No Confidence text PASSES (53:10)
OPTION A - Publish results in same format as Committee elections PASSES
OPTION B - Allow Motions of No Confidence in Control PASSES (36:24)

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 28th April 2001.

          Proponent: Charles Lindsey <chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk>
  Primary Votetaker: Alex Holden <vote-noconf@rdns.org.uk>
Secondary Votetaker: Jim Hill <vote-noconf@jhc.org.uk>

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Charter

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PROPOSAL - Amend Committee document to include Motions of No Confidence

    YES : 53 votes
     NO : 10 votes
ABSTAIN :  0 votes
  Total : 63 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 43 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.

OPTION A - Publish vote results in same way as Committee elections

    YES : 35 votes
     NO : 23 votes
ABSTAIN :  5 votes
  Total : 63 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 12 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.

OPTION B - Allow MONC in Control

    YES : 36 votes
     NO : 24 votes
ABSTAIN :  3 votes
  Total : 63 votes

YES beat NO by a majority of 12 votes. For passage, there must be 12
more YES votes than NO votes. Accordingly, this proposal PASSES.

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Motions of No Confidence Vote Details

Name                 Address                                     P A B
- ----                 -------                                     -----
{R}                  {R} voting semolina ogr                     Y N Y
- -=3D-peas-=3D            rob piethief oc ku                          Y N =
Alan Fleming         af etrigan ogr                              Y N N
Alex D. Baxter       alex-news oenone demon oc ku                N Y N
Andrew Gierth        andrew erlenstar demon oc ku                N N N
Andrew Hartley       andy eastupham freeserve oc ku              Y Y Y
Andy Mabbett         andy pigsonthewing ogr ku                   Y Y Y
Andy Roberts         andy roberts zetnet oc ku                   Y Y Y
Arwel Parry          arwel cartref demon oc ku                   Y N N
Barry Dorrans        barryd bann oc ku                           Y Y Y
Barry Salter         ukvotes salterg demon oc ku                 Y Y Y
Ben Whyte            ben funky-badger ogr                        Y A Y
Bill Carter          carterwilliam talk21 moc                    Y Y Y
Bill Muskett         bill muskett which net                      Y Y Y
Charles Bryant       noconf vote ch chch demon oc ku             N N N
Charles Lindsey      chl clw cs man ca ku                        Y N N
Chris Bannister      cj moodog ogr ku                            Y Y N
Colin Rosentiel      rosenstiel cix oc ku                        N Y N
Dave Millard         dave focus3 ku moc                          Y Y Y
Dave Mills           davemills ravesw demon oc ku                Y Y Y
Dave Sparks          dave Sparks sisyphus demon oc ku            Y Y Y
David Mahon          noconf_vote amigo oc ku                     Y N Y
Eddie Bernard        usenet ebernard greatxscape net             Y Y Y
=46rankie Roberto      frankie roberto lineone net                 Y Y Y
Graham Drabble       graham drabble lineone net                  Y N Y
Grant Mason          grant mason sh                              Y Y Y
Iain Bowen           alaric alaric ogr ku                        Y Y Y
Ian Chard            ichard cadence moc                          N Y N
Jack Howard          {J} stormshadow oc ku                       Y N N
James Coupe          james zephyr ogr ku                         Y Y Y
Jeffrey Goldberg     jeffrey goldmark ogr                        Y N N
Jezza                jezza hotwells freeserve oc ku              Y N Y
JL                   jeff maerdy ogr                             Y Y N
John B               jcb avism demon oc ku                       Y N N
John S. Robertson    Secretary talyllyn oc ku                    Y Y N
Jon Thomson          jon thomson2273 freeserve oc ku             Y Y Y
Jonathan Wheeler     J F Wheeler rl ca ku                        Y N N
Keith Willoughby     keith flat222 ogr                           Y Y Y
lachlan              lachlan excommunicant oc ku                 Y Y Y
Malcolm Mladenovic   mbm tinc ogr ku                             N N A
Mark Goodge          mark good-stuff oc ku                       Y N N
Mark Tyndall         mrt102 york ca ku                           Y Y Y
Martin Biddiscombe   martin priatel globalnet oc ku              Y N Y
Michael Farthing     mf cyclades demon oc ku                     Y Y Y
Mike Fleming         mike tauzero oc ku                          Y A Y
Neil Fernandez       ncf borve demon oc ku                       N N A
Nick Regan           nick nregan oc ku                           Y Y Y
Owen Rees            owenrees waitrose moc                       Y Y N
Paul Cummins         paul cummins ie eu ogr                      Y Y Y
Paul Harris          paul harrisp demon oc ku                    Y Y N
Pekka P. Pirinen     ppp pirinen demon oc ku                     N N N
Peter Gradwell       peter gradwell moc                          Y Y Y
philip.j.page        philip j page btinternet moc                N A A
Richard Clayton      richard highwayman moc                      N N N
Richard Kennaway     jrk sys uea ca ku                           Y A Y
Richard Kettlewell   richard+noconf sfere greenend ogr ku        Y Y Y
Rob Linham           robert linham sjc ox ca ku                  Y Y N
Thomas Lee           tfl psp oc ku                               Y N N
Tim Forcer           tmf ecs soton ca ku                         Y N Y
Tom Harris           t harris iname moc                          Y N Y
Tony                 tony darkstorm oc ku                        Y Y Y
Tony Towers          tony cats tele2 oc ku                       Y A N
Tony Walton          tony walton ku sun moc                      Y Y Y

Total votes cast: 63
(P=3DProposal, A=3DOption A B=3DOption B)

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Votetakers' Comments:

Not the largest of turnouts for a management ballot, but easily the=20
busiest vote that I have had to handle yet. Thanks to the system
employed by UKVoting of logging and archiving each vote before being
forwarded to the votetakers one vote that had gone astray between the
UKVoting server and the votetakers' ISP was detected as missing.
This vote was subsequently retrieved and counted.

On this occasion all voters voted correctly and no votes were rejected.

My thanks to Jim Hill for more than competently running secondary
on this vote and for processing the vote acks on my behalf.

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This vote was conducted by two neutral third party members of UKVoting.=20
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf=20
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. =20

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted=20
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:


The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.  Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control usenet.org.uk.

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Some years ago, there was a motion of No Confidence in the
Committee (which failed to be carried by a large majority, as it
turned out). At that time, there were no rules in place for the
conduct of such motions, and so the procedures were worked out on
the hoof, as it were. This lack of proper process enable the
Proponent to argue endlessly about what was or was not proper,
and to spin the process out over many weeks by arguing about the
precise wording of the CFV.

Various proposals were put forward subsequently to regularise
the situation, and even some RFDs were started, but never
carried through to completion. Hopefully, this present proposal
will finally regularize the matter.

Some points to note:

   1. The wording has been kept as short as possible,
   consistent with doing the required job.

   2. A fixed and unalterable time schedule is laid out. There
   is no way it can get spun out.

   3. The exact wording of the RFD and CFV are to be established
   before the process even starts.

   4. The whole thing is conducted by ukvoting.

   5. There is a moratorium on such motions during the annual
   Committee elections, and for three months after any
   previous such motion.

   6. The proponent must state what effect his motion is expected
   to achieve. There are too many possible scenarios to list
   them all in detail, but resignation of the Committee,
   dismissal of Control and reversal of some disputed decision
   are obvious possibilities.

   7. Nothing is said about enforcement, simply because there is
   no machinery available to enforce anything on Usenet. But, in
   practical terms, no Committee could expect to get away with
   ignoring the result totally (though they might not take
   exactly the action "expected").

   8. There is an optional wording, as requested in the straw=20
   poll, requiring anonymizing of the results, as with
   Committee elections. Personally, I shall likely vote against

   9. There is a second optional wording, again as requested in
   the straw poll, allowing a motion of no confidence in
   Control. Again, I shall vote against this - Control is
   appointed by the Committee, and it is up to them to dismiss
   him (or stand by him as the case may be). Moreover, there is
   now the mechanism in place for the proponents to indicate
   that dismissal of Control is their aim.

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PROPOSAL: [Votetaker's Note: The two optional wordings voted on are
           encased in square brackets]

In the document "The UK Usenet Committee", between the sections
headed "Elections" and "Rule Changes", insert the following new

Motions of No Confidence

A Motion of No Confidence in the Committee may be proposed by
any 9 identifiable individuals, who shall submit it to
ukvoting usenet.org.uk, together with a Rationale of no more
than 800 words. The rationale shall include a statement of the
actions they expect to ensue should the motion be carried.

The votetaker appointed by ukvoting shall invite the Committee
to submit a Response of no more than 800 words, which they must
do within 7 days. When he is satisfied of the identity of the
proponents and that all other required conditions have been met,
the votetaker shall prepare a CFV containing the names of the
proponents, their Rationale, the Committee's Rebuttal, and a
vote allowing a choice between "I have Confidence in the
Committee", "I have No Confidence in the Committee" and "I
abstain from this vote". The voting period shall be 18 days
unless the votetaker finds exceptional reason to extend it. The
votetaker shall also prepare an RFD containing the same
material, specifying a discussion period of exactly 10 days,
which shall then be posted by Control to uk.net.news.announce,
uk.net.news.config and uk.net.news.management only, with
followups set to uk.net.news.management where all discussion
will take place. The CFV shall be posted as soon as possible
after the 10 days are up (with a 2nd CFV at the usual time).

The vote shall then proceed in accordance with "Voting Procedures
Within the UK Hierarchy", except that a simple majority shall
suffice to determine the result, [that the results shall be
published in the same format as the results of committee
elections,] and that all appeals and objections shall be decided
by the panel of UK votetakers.

A motion of no confidence may not be proposed once the annual
call for committee nominations has been issued until one month
after the newly-elected members are fully installed, nor may it
be proposed within three months of the announcement of the result
of any previous such motion.

[A Motion of No Confidence in Control may be proposed using the
same procedure.]


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