Path: sn-us!sn-xit-03!supernews.com!freenix!news-feed.riddles.org.uk!harlech.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Alex Holden Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.thames-valley,uk.local.bedfordshire Subject: Result: CFV - Creation of uk.local.milton-keynes FAILS Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 22:57:44 +0100 Message-ID: Sender: Iain Bowen as Control Approved: Iain Bowen as Control Lines: 312 Xref: sn-us uk.net.news.announce:2926 uk.net.news.config:137890 uk.local.thames-valley:26651 uk.local.bedfordshire:5806 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT: CFV - Creation of uk.local.milton-keynes FAILS Summary: Option A (Create Group) and Option C (Re-Open Discussion) did not exceed a +12 vote margin over option B (Status Quo.) Therefore the proposal FAILS. ====================================================================== Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 10th May, 2002 Proponent: Paul Cummins Votetaker: Alex Holden Distribution: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.thames-valley, uk.local.bedfordshire ====================================================================== The full results follow below in the following order: 1) Information on the ballot 2) Results 3) Individual Vote Details 4) Votetakers Comments 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 6) Rationale & Charter ====================================================================== Information on the ballot - ------------------------- The options on the ballot were: A: Create group B: Status Quo (Do not create group) C: Re-Open Discussion 45 votes were received during the lifetime of the vote. 4 votes were either disallowed or superseded. 41 votes therefore went to the count. ====================================================================== RESULTS Brief Results List - ------------------- Multi-option votes in the uk.* hierarchy are decided by a two-stage procedure. All options are first compared with votes for Status Quo (SQ), in this ballot, option B, and any which are not preferred to SQ by the required margin of 12 votes are eliminated. The remaining options, if any, are then evaluated by the Condorcet method. STAGE ONE: Status Quo was preferred to Option A by a margin of 9 votes Status Quo was preferred to Option C by a margin of 2 votes As no options were preferred to Status Quo by a margin of 12 votes or greater, no options progress to the second stage, and the proposal therefore FAILS. Although the Condorcet count is not required, full Condorcet tables are provided below for voters' reference only. Full Condorcet Tables - --------------------- Table 1 - Absolute Preferences Grid A B C A: Create group [n/a] [ 12] [ 13] B: Do not create group [ 21] [n/a] [ 18] C: Re-Open Discussion [ 16] [ 16] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 12 votes preferred Option A to Option B while xx votes preferred Option C to Option A. Table 2 - Opposite Comparison Grid A B C A: Create group [n/a] [ -9] [ -3] B: Do not create group [ 9] [n/a] [ 2] C: Re-Open Discussion [ 3] [ -2] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's Column to the option appropriate to the number's row. The winning option in the absolute table is that where all the numbers in its row are higher than the number in the equivalent position in its column. The winning option in the relative table is that which has all positive numbers in its row and all negative numbers in its column. Individual Vote Details - ----------------------- Notes: 1. Voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 3 (lowest). Equal rankings are allowed, and any unranked options are considered to be ranked below all ranked options. 2. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to indicate unranked options. Irrespective of the actual character used, all unranked options have been represented in the table by '-' (dash). 3. The votes column shows the ranking given by the voter to each option. For example: A B C voter 1 1 2 3 voter 2 - 1 - Voter 1 ranked option A first, then B, and then C. Voter 2 ranked Option B first, and left the other options unranked. 4. The preferences column shows in a different format how the voter ranked (or did not rank) each option. Name Address A B C Preference - ---- ------- - - - ---------- {R} {R}#semolina@gro 3,1,2 B>C>A Adam Price adam+usenet#pappnase@oc@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A Andrew Stoker andrew#peek-a-boo@ogr@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A athomik mail#askadrian@oc@ku 1,3,2 A>C>B Brian B brian#brianb@u-net@moc 3,2,1 C>B>A Bryan Souster bryan@souster#ntlworld@moc 1,3,2 A>C>B Chris Croughton chris#keristor@gro 1,3,2 A>C>B Dave Dave#community-spirit@demon@oc@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A Dave Johnson requiem#freeuk@moc 3,2,1 C>B>A David Briggs brigfamily#softhome@ten 1,3,2 A>C>B David Uri davidurivest#bigfoot@moc 1,3,2 A>C>B David Wood david#wood2@ogr@ku 1,3,2 A>C>B Denis McMahon denis#pickaxe@demon@oc@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A DG dickg#dickalba@demon@oc@ku -,-,- Abstain fraggle news1#ukrm@oc@ku 1,3,2 A>C>B Grant Mason news#mason@sh 3,1,2 B>C>A James Bentall jimney#bigfoot@moc -,1,- B>A=C James Farrar londonstatto#yahoo@oc@ku 1,1,2 A=B>C Jeffery Goldberg jeffrey#goldmark@gro 1,1,1 No Preference Jezza jezza#hotwells@freeserve@oc@ku 1,3,2 A>C>B John the R-T t_e_n_e_s_u#hotmail@moc 3,1,3 B>A=C Juggs glenys#tgis@oc@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A M J Ray markj+0110#cloaked@freeserve@oc@ku -,2,1 C>B>A Malcolm Mladenovic mbm#tinc@ogr@ku -,-,- Abstain Mark Hudson abuse#markhudson@moc 3,1,2 B>C>A Mike Bristow mike#urgle@moc 2,1,2 B>A=C paul {voter}#watman@clara@oc@ku -,1,2 B>C>A Paul Cummins paul#cummins@ie@eu@gro 1,-,2 A>C>B Paul Harper paul#harper@ten 3,1,2 B>C>A Paul Leake p@j@leake#durham@ca@ku 1,3,2 A>C>B Peter Parry peter#wpp@tld@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A Peter Smyth psmyth#gmx@ten 1,3,2 A>C>B Philip Powell philip#blencathra@ogr@ku -,-,- Abstain Richard Kettlewell richard+miltk#sfere@greenend@ogr@ku 1,1,1 No Preference richard tibbetts richard#primepeace@tld@ku 3,2,1 C>B>A Rosemary Wright outofthewoods#ntlworld@moc 1,3,2 A>C>B Simon Gardner 666_#hack@powernet@oc@ku 3,1,3 B>A=C Steve Firth %steve%#malloc@oc@ku -,1,- B>A=C Thomas Lee tfl#psp@oc@ku 3,3,3 No Preference Tracy Tracylj#talk21@moc 3,1,2 B>C>A xphoenix col#xphoenix@oc@ku 3,1,2 B>C>A Votes not counted - ----------------- Sue M-B sue.sue@malsoft#ntlworld@moc Flame mail, ballot paper not filled in. CFV sent with invitation to vote, no reply. 3 voters attempted to vote more than once. One voter changed their e-mail address on their second vote. The acknowledgement to that address bounced. Since the voter's preferences remained unchanged, I counted their original vote. ====================================================================== Votetaker's Comments Turnout was fair for this vote, barring the exception above, all voters managed to express some kind of preference correctly first time. Voters have used varying ways of expressing no preference or an abstention. Where voters entered an equal figure in all three boxes, it was clear that the voter had no preference. However as the voter had ranked - albeit equally - the options, I felt that distinction had to be made between these and those options left blank by others. I have classed these votes where all three options have been equally ranked as "No Preference." Voters who left all three options blank have been classed as "Abstain." The end result, however is the same. ====================================================================== This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties. The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. ====================================================================== Rationale and Charter from the proposal: Rationale: There are many newsgroups in the uk.local* hierarchy showing that there is an obvious need for local uk specific content. At present there is no newsgroup dedicated to or directly related to the town of Milton Keynes. Milton Keynes residents are currently expected to use the uk.local.thames-valley group, which, while having a relevance, actually covers areas which are not adjacent to or naturally linked to Milton Keynes, therefore the reasoning behind a Milton-Keynes centric newsgroup is obvious. The Thames Valley newsgroup has, in the last 6 months, had less than one posting a week about Milton Keynes, yet other groups do get postings about the town, including many on uk.local.bedfordshire. Proposed Charter: This newsgroup is about Milton Keynes in England, its residents and those who are interested in current affairs of, and/or the history of, Milton Keynes. A forum for requesting and disseminating information and views about living in, visiting or being a descendant from Milton Keynes. Contributions are welcome from people who live, work or study in the Town, or have an interest in the Town. Advertising Advertising is forbidden Cross-Posting Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Southampton to Milton Keynes"). Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups involved. Binaries & Formatting Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are forbidden. Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used where authentication is important and should be as short as possible. Posts must be readable as plaintext. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are prohibited. 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