14 Feb 2002: Creation of uk.local.berkshire

From: Alex Holden <bks-vote@alex-holden.org.uk>
Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 20:42:15 +0000
Subject: [Result] CFV: Creation of uk.local.berkshire FAILS (33:25)
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.thames-valley


RESULT: CFV - Creation of uk.local.berkshire

SUMMARY: Yes beat no by 8 votes (33:25) Proposal FAILS (+12 rule) 


Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 10th February 2002

Proponent: Paul Cummins <paul@cummins.ie.eu.org>
Votetaker: Alex Holden <bks-vote@alex-holden.org.uk>

uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.local.thames-valley


The full results follow below in the following order:

1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetaker's Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale and Proposal


The CFV closed at 23:59:59 GMT on the 10th February 2002. The vote
was conducted under the Guidelines For Group Creation.

79 votes were received during the period of the vote, consisting of:

72 valid and counted votes
1 invalid vote which remained uncorrected
5 valid votes subsequently superseded by the voter
1 invalid vote subsequently corrected by the voter

Further information is provided in the vote details.


Question: Create uk.local.berkshire? (Yes/No/Abstain)

Number of people voting  YES: 33
                          NO: 25
                     ABSTAIN: 14
Total of counted valid votes: 72 (see vote details)

               Not countable:  7 (see vote details)  
       Total number of mails: 79

YES beat NO by 8 votes. Under the Guidelines for Group Creation
there must be 12 more yes votes than no votes. Accordingly this
proposal FAILS.


Mails containing valid votes and included in final result.

Name of Voter           Voter's e-mail address              Vote

[Name Goes Here]        steve!darcyryan.freeserve:cu:ko     no
{R}                     {R}!semolina:rgo                    abstain 
Adam Price              adam!pappnase:cu:ko                 no
Alan Macro              alan!macro:urg:ko                   yes
Allen                   allen!allen:sa                      yes
Andrew Kurowski         a.j.kurowski!dur:ca:ku              no
Andrew Norman           nja!le:ca:ku                        yes
Andrew Stoker           andrew!peek-a-boo:urg:ko            no
Andrew Wheatley         andrew.wheatley!union:rgo.za        yes
Andy Champ              andy!champ-family.fsnet:cu:ko       no
AstraVanMan             Peter!SwerveWeb:cmo                 yes
Barry Salter            ukvotes!salterg.demon:cu:ko         yes
Batch                   {$news$}!rubious.demon:cu:ko        yes
Brian {Hamilton Kelly}  bhk!dsl:cu:ko                       yes
Carl Inglis             carl!yoshiwara.demon:cu:ko          yes
Chris Croughton         chris!keristor:rgo                  abstain
Colin Blackburn         phys0060!ermine.ox:ca:ku            yes
Dangerous               sjalldred!tiscali:cu:ko             no
Dave J                  requiem!freeuk:cmo                  no
Dave Mayall             david.mayall!ukonline:cu:ko         abstain
Dave Millard            dave!focus3.uk:cmo                  yes
David                   d.ewart!rl:ca:ku                    yes
David Taylor            davidt!yadt:cu:ko                   abstain
David Uri               davidurivest!bigfoot:cmo            yes
Denis McMahon           denis!pickaxe.demon:cu:ko           no
DG                      dickg!dickalba.demon:cu:ko          yes
Graham Nye              graham!tyndale.demon:cu:ko          yes
Grant Mason             usenet!mason:hs                     no
Guy Morgan              guy!first-light-services:cu:ko      yes
Jack Howard             jack!stormshadow:cu:ko              abstain
James Bentall           jimney!bigfoot:cmo                  abstain
James Coupe             james!zephyr:urg:ko                 abstain
James Farrar            londonstatto!yahoo:cu:ko            yes
Jeffrey Goldberg        jeffrey!goldmark:rgo                abstain
Jennie Reed             HCVSBRMMOVET!spammotel:cmo          yes
Jezza                   jezza!hotwells.freeserve:cu:ko      abstain
John M Chapman          john!purley.demon:cu:ko             no 
Jon Thomson             J.A.Thomson!warwick:ca:ku           yes
Julian Sharp            news!sharpuk.f9:cu:ko               no
Keith Wootten           keith!wootten.demon:cu:ko           no 
Linus Surguy            linus!world:cu:ko                   yes
Malcolm Mladenovic      usenet-reply!tinc:urg:ko            no 
Mark Young              M.Young!twinfair:cu:ko              yes
martinp                 martinp!wanadoo:ln                  yes
MJ Ray                  markj+0110!cloaked.freeserve:cu:ko  no 
Mudge                   mudge!ringtail.fsnet:cu:ko          no 
Nick Leverton           nick!leverton:rgo                   no 
paul                    {voter}!watman.clara:cu:ko          abstain
Paul Carpenter          paul!pcserv.demon:cu:ko             no
Paul Cummins            paul!cummins.ie.eu:rgo              yes
Paul Herber             paul!pherber:cmo                    yes
Paul Leake              P.J.Leake!durham:ca:ku              yes
Pete Baggett            pet!wulfrunian:ent                  yes
Pete Jewell             morph!softhome:ent                  yes
Pete Langdale           platypuss!ntlworld:cmo              yes
Peter Parry             peter!wpp:tdl:ku                    no
Peter Robinson          pmrobinson!mail:cmo                 abstain
Peter Smyth             psmyth!gmx:ent                      yes
Philip Powell           philip!blencathra:urg:ko            abstain
Richard Kettlewell      richard+locbs!sfere.greenend:urg:ko abstain
Robert Davies           r.j.l.davies!ntlworld:cmo           no
Simon Gardner           666_!hack.powernet:cu:ko            no 
Simon Meeds             simon.meeds!btinternet:cmo          no
Steve                   news2!nightflame:cmo                yes
Steve Lewin             slewin!hotmail:cmo                  no
Steven Green            steven!greenius:cu:ko               yes
Thomas Lee              tfl!psp:cu:ko                       no
Tim Miller              tim!economic-truth:cu:ko            no 
Tim Pragnell            tim.pragnell!physiol.ox:ca:ku       yes
Tony Davison            davison.tony!ntlworld:cmo           yes
Tony Evans              tony!darkstorm:cu:ko                abstain
Tracy                   Tracylj!talk21:cmo                  no

Total number of valid votes received and counted: 72

5 votes were superseded.
1 vote was rejected as invalid, and the voter superseded this vote
with a correctly submitted vote.

Under voting guidelines, individual voters may vote more than once
using the same voting name and address. Only the most recent vote is

1 vote remained uncorrected:
Reason: Flame mail accompanying ballot paper. Ballot paper left blank.
Action: Reject acknowledgement and fresh CFV sent. No reply.   

Total number of mails: 79


The turnout for this vote was one of the largest that I have had to
deal with during my time as a votetaker. The UKVoting server performed
perfectly during this vote. From an operational point of view, this
vote has run from start to finish extremely smoothly.

Although the vote ran smoothly, flame mails cannot be counted or
considered to be valid votes. Furthermore, votetakers run votes in
their spare time as a service to the UK Usenet community. The correct
way to express an opinion is by submitting a vote in the proper way,
or by voicing their opinion in the relevant newsgroups, not by
questioning votetakers' (or indeed the proponent's) use of their own

I am afraid that I have to report that an attempt at perverting due
process was made during the life of this vote. A pre-filled ballot
paper was posted to the groups on the distribution list. I
investigated the matter and kept a close watch at the time on vote
traffic and the actual votes cast to see if there was any major change
to what I would expect to see at that time.

I can declare that there was no significant change in either vote
traffic levels compared with what I would expect to see at that stage
of a ballot. It is the votetaker's opinion that the outcome of the
vote therefore has NOT been affected by this episode.


This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on
behalf of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.

The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are
posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the
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The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>

There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted
to uk.net.news.announce.

Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk


Rationale: uk.local.berkshire

There are many newsgroups in the uk.local* hierarchy showing that
there is an obvious need for local uk specific content.

At present there is no newsgroup dedicated to or directly related to
the county of Berkshire, despite it being one of the most affluent,
and technology-centric regions of the UK.

Berkshire residents currently use the uk.local.thames-valley group,
which, while having a relevance, actually covers areas which are not
adjacent to either the valley of the Thames or naturally linked to
Berkshire, therefore the reasoning behind a Berkshire-centric
newsgroup is obvious.

Proposed Charter: uk.local.berkshire

This newsgroup is about the county of Berkshire in England, its
residents and those who are interested in current affairs of, and/or
the history of, Berkshire.

A forum for requesting and disseminating information and views about
living in, visiting or being a descendant from Berkshire.
Contributions are welcome from people who live, work or study in the
county, or have an interest in the county.

Since Berkshire as an administrative county no longer exists, the area
considered to be Berkshire is that covered by the former Royal County
of Berkshire prior to the Unitary Authority Changes.


Advertising is forbidden


Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more
than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be
geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of
the post (e.g. "moving house from Southampton to Newbury").

Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is
*not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have
restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts,
where allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all*

Binaries & Formatting

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forbidden.  Such material belongs on a web or FTP site to which a
pointer may be posted. Cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP) may be used
where authentication is important and should be as short as possible.

Posts must be readable as plaintext. HTML, RTF and similarly formatted
messages are prohibited. To see how to make your newsreader comply
with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>.


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
"postmaster" and/or Service Provider.

End Charter

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