Path: news.gradwell.net!news0.firedrake.org!fu-berlin.de!skynet.be!skynet.be!dispose.news.demon.net!news.demon.co.uk!demon!harlech.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: Committee Elections Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.management Subject: 2001 Committee Election Results - REVISED RESULT Followup-To: uk.net.news.management Date: Sun, 09 Dec 2001 14:11:56 +0000 Sender: Iain Bowen as Control Approved: Iain Bowen as Control Message-ID: Reply-To: Committee Elections NNTP-Posting-Host: harlech.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: harlech.demon.co.uk:158.152.39.156 X-Trace: news.demon.co.uk 1007907714 nnrp-13:3217 NO-IDENT harlech.demon.co.uk:158.152.39.156 X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-No-Archive: yes Lines: 650 Xref: news.gradwell.net uk.net.news.announce:569 uk.net.news.config:29973 uk.net.news.management:12242 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULTS OF CALL FOR VOTES Summary of Committee Elections 2001 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- This revision corrects a typographical error in Stage 3 of the STV Election transcription. The original document read incorrectly: > No further candidates can be excluded so the largest surplus, that > for Andrew Hartley, is transferred: This revised document corrects the candidate name: > No further candidates can be excluded so the largest surplus, that > for Charles Lindsey, is transferred: Although the outcome of the election is not materially altered, UKVoting apologises for any confusion resulting from their error. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Open Class: the following are elected Candidate (c) Charles Lindsey Candidate (a) Alan Ford News Class: one vacancy, no candidates. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 27th October 2001 Primary Votetaker: Jim Hill Secondary Votetaker: Richard Ashton - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management - ----------------------------------------------------------------- CONTENTS: 1) Open Class Result 2) Particulars of the Open Class Vote 3) Votetakers' Comments 4) Details of Election 5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines ================================================================= 1) OPEN CLASS RESULT Candidates: a) Alan Ford b) Andrew Hartley c) Charles Lindsey d) Denis McMahon Elected: c) Charles Lindsey a) Alan Ford ================================================================= 2) PARTICULARS OF THE OPEN CLASS VOTE A total of 135 submissions were received by the voting system: 1 Vote acknowledgement delivery delay notification 1 Valid ballot - subsequently cancelled 1 Cancellation request for the above 1 Message to votetaker (not related to ballot) 1 Mail system duplication (relay handover problem) 4 Invalid ballots - missing name, etc (3 revoted) 4 Valid votes superceded by revotes 5 Junk mail 5 Disallowed votes (one user, multiple identities) 112 Valid votes counted - ----------------------------------------------------------------- The following posted votes: Ace Cwcom Net Ace Of Cards Adam D. Barratt Adambarratt Orguk Usenet Adrian Wontroba Stade Couk Aw1 Alan Ford Whirlnet Couk Alan Alex D. Baxter Oenone Demoncouk AlexNews Alex Holden Alexholden Couk Votes Alistair Gunn Yahoo Com Palmersperry Allen Mcmail Com Allen Allenh Ntlworld Com Allenh Andrew Hartley Eastupham Freeservecouk Andy Andy Davidson Nosignal Orguk Andy Andy Lindsay Ananam Demoncouk Andy Andy Mabbett Pigsonthewing Orguk Andy Anonymous Sueme Couk Allen Anthony R. Gold Panix Com Tgold Barry Dorrans Bann Couk Barryd Barry Porter Bpuk Net Barry Barry Salter Salterg Demoncouk Ukvotes Bill Muskett Musketts Orguk Billm Brett Paul Dunbar Dimetrodon Demoncouk Brett Brian {Hamilton Kelly} Dsl Couk Bhk Brian Bjforster Force9Couk Brian Brian White Pobox Com Brian White Carl Inglis Yoshiwara Demoncouk Uther Charles Lindsey Clw Csmanacuk Chl Chris Croughton Keris Net Chris Chris Eilbeck Yordas Demoncouk Chris Christopher Watkins Uffa Couk Christopher Claire Speed Mcc Acuk Perdita Clive Martin Cmartin Demoncouk Clive Colin Rosenstiel Cix Couk Rosenstiel Dave Hillam Hillam Orguk Dave Dave Mason Lowjobs Couk Dave Dave Millard Focus3 Ukcom Dave Dave Williams Clues Com Dave David Kitching Brocross Couk Davidk David Mahon Amigo Couk Vote_Comm2001_Dmahon David Mayall Ukonline Couk David Mayall David Riley Dmriley Demoncouk Dave David Wood Wood2 Orguk David Denis Fuller Yahoo Com Bedfordtlfan Denis McMahon Pickaxe Demoncouk Denis Don Aitken Freeuk Com DonAitken Dr John Stockton Merlyn Demoncouk Jrs Duncan Dewar Bute Orguk Duncanuknnce2001 Eddie Bernard Ebernard Greatxscapenet Usenet Fred Barber Frolix8 Demoncouk Fredb Gerbil Stevey Demoncouk Voting Glenys Pople Howfen Demoncouk Gkp Graham Drabble Lineone Net Graham Drabble Graham Kendall Kendallshangout Freeservecouk Graham Helge Nareid Nareid Nareiddemoncouk H Nareid Huge Huge Orguk Huge Iain Bowen Alaric Alaricorguk Alaric James Bentall Aol Com Theorangellama James Coupe Zephyr Orguk James James Farrar Yahoo Couk Londonstatto James Royal-Lawson Ccl4 Org Chasm Jason King Onetel Netuk Department_S Jeffrey Goldberg Goldmark Org Jeffrey Jezza Hotwells Freeservecouk Jezza Jim Benton-Evans Bentonevans Demoncouk Jim Jl Maerdy Org Jeff John Duffield Si Com Duffield_John John Hall Jhall Couk John John Line Cus Camacuk Jml4 Jon Thomson Csv Warwickacuk Mawdl Jonathan Wheeler Rl Acuk J F Wheeler Kevin Andreoli Andreoli Couk Kevin Kirklees Totalise Couk Kirklees Mark Chater Chater Demoncouk Mark Mark Tyndall York Acuk Mrt102 Martin Ludgate Navvies Demoncouk Editor Martinp Wanadoo Nl Martinp Mike Bristow Urgle Com Mike Mike Fleming Tauzero Couk Mike Mike Henry Mrtickle Demoncouk {$Usenet$} Molly Mockford Mockfords Claracouk Molly Nick Regan Nregan Couk Nick Nigel Ashton Nigelashton Demoncouk Nigel Nigel Cliffe Btinternet Com Ncliffe Norman Gray Astro Glaacuk Norman Patrick Herring Ntlworld Com Anweald Paul Cummins Cummins Ieeuorg Paul Paul Giverin Giverin Couk Paul Paul Harris Harrisp Demoncouk Paul Pete The Gardener Hotmail Com Pete_The_Gardener Peter Gradwell Gradwell Com Peter Peter Parry Wpp Ltduk Peter Peter Smyth Gmx Net Psmyth Peter Sullivan Manorcon Demoncouk Peter Phil Wade Pooters Org Philwade Philip Powell Blencathra Orguk Philip Puc Ouajio Javery Demoncouk Jim Rachel walmsley Sheepish Orguk Flossie Richard Clayton Highwayman Com Richard Richard G Ntlworld Com Richard G Richard J. Letts Illuin Org RichardVote Richard Kennaway Sys Ueaacuk Jrk Rob Linham Yahoo Couk Rob_Linham Rob Maxwell Atlantic Net Mhunter Robbie Arrakis Nu Robbie Ronan Flood Noc Ulccacuk Ronan Roy Stilling Kalevala Orguk Rpjs Sandy Morton Sandymillport Fsnetcouk Atm Sherarafasar Ntlworld Com Sherarafasar Simon gray Starone Orguk Simon Steph Peters Sandbenders Demoncouk Steph Steve peake Puppethead Couk Usenet Susan Ashton Ashton Demoncouk Susan Tez Boyes Pierrot Couk Tez Thomas Lee Psp Couk Tfl Tim Miller Economictruth Couk Tim Tom Hughes Compton Nu Tom Tony Darkstorm Couk Tony Tony Towers Cats Tele2Couk Tony Wm Tarrcity Demoncouk Tcnw41 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- List of votes with Unique ID: A dash "-" indicates no preference expressed for a candidate. The letter "r" indicates votes removed from the results. Candidates Unique ID a b c d 003872C1110 2 3 1 4 01659EC031 - - 1 2 01E8439010 3 4 1 2 03003D7086 3 4 1 2 046C091A34 2 3 1 4 051D9EBD25 1 2 3 4 054A85C628 - - 1 2 081FCC04120 2 1 4 3 085C3DC735 2 - 3 1 086F31C917 2 4 1 3 08D086C166 3 4 1 2 09540F9539 2 - 3 1 0AEF31E318 4 2 1 3 0BE88C5013 3 4 1 2 0D40217054 1 4 3 2 0E26532077 - - 1 - 0F8D265545 4 2 3 1 0F9F32B712 4 3 2 1 1050AB53125 1 4 3 2 1154D4C05 3 4 1 2 11F1471A122 4 2 1 3 12584F7D98 1 4 3 2 125F239552 3 4 1 2 12656686109 3 - 1 2 129023551 2 - 3 1 132AB988126 - - - 1 14767996128 2 3 - 1 171CC76C61 1 3 2 4 17252496103 4 2 3 1 1E33353287 - 1 2 - 1F2243FD26 3 1 4 2 1F42BEA340 3 4 1 2 208B344748 1 - - - 20ADA26467 2 3 1 4 20E5533F32 3 4 1 2 21696D3937 3 4 1 2 21929F866 - 2 1 - 223D8C2C62 2 4 3 1 226C918864 2 3 4 1 23BE8A8047 3 4 1 2 25C2735E4 2 4 1 3 27E8467760 2 4 1 3 29AD0F5B3 - - 2 1 2A775D9059 2 3 1 4 2C04685975 1 3 4 2 2C67ADBE102 2 4 1 3 2C67EECD104 4 3 1 2 2C7A837342 4 3 1 2 2F57072C93 2 4 1 3 309A07BE43 1 3 4 2 30E2F0E163 1 - 3 2 33B639A533 1 2 - - 3476C1B416 1 - 2 - 377EFD2938 4 3 2 1 3836B8B830 1 3 - 2 3875076E58 2 3 1 4 389A3752113 1 3 - 2 38F85CBA46 2 3 1 4 395A843097 - - 1 2 3AA29BBA106 2 4 1 3 3BB1991E94 1 4 3 2 3D46200181 r r r r 3DE73D2E80 r r r r 40BED937124 1 2 4 3 41451C0049 1 4 2 3 423A4BA774 1 2 - 3 42CBAB48105 2 4 1 3 43B4B63C36 3 4 1 2 43BC856621 - - 2 1 45AFF04176 1 2 - - 4835295B119 1 4 3 2 4841CB4296 1 3 2 4 48FD856856 3 2 - 1 49D2266F71 2 4 1 3 4A70C5A479 r r r r 4C287C35131 2 - 1 - 4D1EF3C085 1 4 3 2 4D6C71AD57 1 2 4 3 4E2DF1159 1 4 2 3 4EBFF54323 2 4 3 1 5019C42A117 3 2 1 4 50A6857599 - 1 - - 559A376A65 1 4 2 3 55CD87DC92 2 4 1 3 55ED27D083 r r r r 56920BF2112 2 3 1 4 58B49C0588 2 3 4 1 5A56992472 - - - - 5AA6916495 2 3 1 4 5B1ECB18111 - - 1 2 5BF338D98 2 4 3 1 5CD4B60F121 1 2 4 3 5DA7E94520 3 4 1 2 5DE58E3389 4 3 1 2 5F2D131A68 3 4 2 1 6050B38514 - - 1 2 6277E64715 1 4 3 2 62A5EC8A84 - 3 2 1 67341234132 1 4 3 2 6AEFA80982 r r r r 6C5A65162 1 3 2 - 6D75E36A51 4 2 1 3 7182315D116 2 4 1 3 718BF0B77 - - 2 1 71BFD5FF11 2 - 1 - 7221E09E114 1 4 3 2 72B6DFDA55 3 - 2 1 7564F8B753 3 4 2 1 7573256450 1 - 2 - 75F79CE927 2 4 3 1 76230F4B70 1 4 3 2 779A42C419 2 4 1 3 7CEE2EB1118 1 - 2 - 7D421B2378 4 3 1 2 7E83AB5A107 - - 1 2 7F5EA34E123 1 3 4 2 7FD5094D108 1 3 4 2 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Preferences grid of valid votes (a) (b) (c) (d) Ford Hartley Lindsey McMahon 1 34 04 50 23 2 32 15 19 41 3 19 27 21 22 4 11 42 11 12 0 16 24 11 14 Total 112 112 112 112 - ----------------------------------------------------------------- Election results in detail Election: UK Usenet Committee 2001 eSTV software: v1.39 Election rules: ERS97 Number of candidates = 4 Number of places to fill = 2 Number of valid votes = 112 Number of abstentions = 1 Number of included votes = 111 Stage 1 ======= Total votes = 111 Places to fill + 1 = 3 Quota (111 / 3) = 37.00 Candidate first preferences (a) Alan Ford = 34.00 (b) Andrew Hartley = 4.00 (c) Charles Lindsey = 50.00 (d) Denis McMahon = 23.00 Result - Charles Lindsey is elected (13.00 over quota of 37.00) Active Vote (111 - 37) = 74.00 Places to fill + 1 = 2 Quota (74 / 2) = 37.00 Total surplus (50 - 37) = 13.00 Stage 2 ======= First preferences for Andrew Hartley of 4.00 plus the total surplus of 13.00 is less than the support for the next lowest candidate, Denis McMahon with 23.00 first preferences, therefore Andrew Hartley is excluded at this stage. Transferring papers worth 1.00 (a) Alan Ford gets 1 paper and now has 35.00 votes (d) Denis McMahon gets 1 paper and now has 24.00 votes 2 papers are non-transferable Active Vote (74 - 2) = 72.00 Places to fill + 1 = 2 Vote required for election = 36.00 Stage 3 ======= No further candidates can be excluded so the largest surplus, that for Charles Lindsey, is transferred: (a) Alan Ford gets 22 papers (d) Denis McMahon gets 26 papers 48 papers transferred. Total Present Value: 48.00 2 papers non-transferable. Transfer value = 13.00 / 48 = 0.27 (a) Alan Ford now has 40.94 votes. (d) Denis McMahon now has 31.02 votes. 0.04 votes non-transferable. Result - Alan Ford is elected (3.94 over quota of 37.00) No further places to fill. Election finished. ================================================================= 3) VOTETAKERS' COMMENTS Primary Votetaker: Jim Hill A number of problems arose in this count, mostly due to my inexperience at handling stv votes. The advice of Joe Otten of the Electoral Reform Society has been sought on each occasion and his wise counsel has been greately appreciated. Following a request from a voter to be permitted to register an abstention on the Committee vote, it was determined that accepting votes with no stated preferences would not affect the outcome of the election adversely. Abstentions are recorded in the results with dashes to indicate that no candidate preferences have been expressed. The anonymity of abstainers is preserved in the same manner as normal votes. The vote rubric for future stv elections needs to be changed to make it clear to the electorate that they have the option to register an abstention if they wish. Five votes, marked with "r" in the vote listing, were removed from the results because they were detected as being posted by the multiple identities of a voter who had already voted using their normal identity. The original vote was determined to be valid and is retained in the posted results. The exclusion of those votes, they expressed identical preferences and most were posted within minutes of each other, does not affect the outcome of the election. Secondary Votetaker: Richard Ashton My first STV. Very easy, thanks in no small part to the Electoral Reform Society who allowed UKVoting, as beta testers of the original eSTV program, to use it in this count. UKVoting are particularly indebted to Joe Otten for his willingness to respond to queries and for his wise guidance. ================================================================= 4) ElECTION DETAILS OPEN CLASS COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP Resignations: 2 a) Iain Bowen (term served) b) Charles Lindsey (term served) Vacancies: 2 Candidates: 4 a) Alan Ford b) Andrew Hartley c) Charles Lindsey d) Denis McMahon Election: An election for two open members is required. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- NEWS ADMINISTRATOR CLASS COMMITTEE MEMBERSHIP Resignations: 0 Vacancies: 1 Candidates: 0 (no applications received) Election: An election is not required. - ----------------------------------------------------------------- CANDIDATE DETAILS - OPEN CLASS a) Alan Ford a) Nominators: Glenys Pople Howfen Demoncouk Gkp Philip Powell Blencathra Orguk Philip Geoff Berrow Hten Orguk $BlackDog$ Molly Mockford Mockfords Claracouk Molly a) Personal Statement I have been a user of usenet for at least five years, and during that time I have gained a knowledge of both the technical and pseudo-political (or rather, social) considerations relating to newsgroups and their creation. For the last three years I have been a votetaker with UKVoting, and an active participant in the uk.net.news.* groups, helping with newsgroup creation. Additionally, for the last year or so, I have been providing an independent strawpolling service to assist in newsgroup creation. Broadly, I believe things to be working reasonably well around the uk.* hierarchy. Its very high proportion of successful and readable groups speaks for itself. There are, however, many areas that could be improved. My core belief is /flexibility/, and it is this that, if elected, I would like to be able to bring to the committee. Where possible, I do not like rigid rules, but rather a flexible boundary that can be adapted for individual needs. I would like to see this in committee decisions and the newsgroup creation process in general. In matters of dispute, I would like the committee to be more vocal and show decisive leadership, by using its discretion to help the community. I believe that increasing flexibility and openness will help to improve the the accessibility of newsgroup creation in this hierarchy to ordinary users. We must not forget, however, that the uk.* hierarchy has reached where it is today through sensible management and structuring, and we must not let this go. b) Andrew Hartley b) Nominators: Philip Powell Blencathra Orguk Philip Thomas Lee Psp Couk Tfl Eddie Bernard Ebernard Greatxscapenet Usenet Tony Evans Darkstorm Couk Tony b) Personal Statement I've been posting to usenet for 2 to 3 years, in that time I have been the proponent for three successful RFDs, two new groups, and one change to the guidelines. I'm standing for membership of the UK Usenet Committee because I believe in quick and sensible decisions, usenet should be a place where discussion is fun as well as serious without the distractions of spam or trolls. It is the role of the committee to try and make this happen. I stand for common sense and fairness in all aspects of the committee's duties, the committee need to be trusted by the people, if they don't trust the committee, they won't trust usenet. A vote for me is a vote for a better and fairer usenet. c) Charles Lindsey c) Nominators: Iain Bowen Alaric Alaricorguk Alaric Devi Jankowicz Devi Demoncouk Animus Geoff Berrow Hten Orguk $BlackDog$ Jack Howard Stormshadow Couk Jack c) Personal Statement Six years ago, uk.* was a shambles. Originally formed by the University of Kent, (when only they had access to Usenet articles from across the Atlantic) there were now 4 or 5 ISPs in the business, but nobody in charge, nobody to issue offical newgroups, and only 20 or so groups. So Something Had to be Done, and I just happened to be the one that did it. Now there are 389 groups and the hierarchy is thriving. And I have been actively involved, as Deputy Control (effectively full Control for some quite long stretches), as keeper of the website and poster of routine documents, and as a member of the Committee (and, being retired, I am in a position to attend promptly to matters as they arise). I was seriously considering giving up (2 terms as a Committee member might seem like enough), until various people quite out of the blue told me that I ought to be standing again (I didn't have to ask any of my nominators, they just appeared as soon as it was known I was dithering on the issue). So there you have it. My record on UNNC & UNNM can speak for itself. I intend to devote effort to this business and, if something has to be done, then I will get on and do it. That's the deal. d) Denis McMahon d) Nominators: Iain Bowen Alaric Alaricorguk Alaric Brian Hamilton-Kelly Dsl Couk Bhk James Coupe Zephyr Orguk James Julie Brandon Computergeeks Couk Julie d) Personal Statement I hope that I can offer a useful perspective and expect to play an active part in committee discussion. I have over 11 years experience of newsgroup environments both on the Internet and before that using Fidonet 'Echomail'. I try and look at the whole picture, and I try and weigh up all sides of an issue. I don't believe in holding to one viewpoint if a convincing argument is made that an alternative position is better. As far as the management of the UK usenet hierarchy is concerned and my views on various issues relating to it, my posting history says much more than I can here. I do believe that the uk hierarchy has developed open and well respected management principles around the proposal => discussion => vote model, and hope to assist in the development of the hierarchy within those established principles. ================================================================= 5) VOTING AND APPEAL GUIDELINES This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: The UKVoting web pages can be found at There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. 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