26 Jun 2000: uk.[telecom,net].[broadband,adsl]
From: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 26 Jun 2000 23:48:38 +0100
Subject: RESULT: uk.telecom.broadband PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.telecom,uk.telecom.mobile,uk.net
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Result: uk.telecom.broadband PASSES
Summary
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Option A (create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband') was preferred by a
majority of voters to all other options, and exceeded the +12 margin over
Option F (Status Quo).
Therefore, Option A (create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband') wins.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 16th June 2000
Proponent: Paul Smith <pjcsmith@iname.com>
Votetaker: Mark Goodge <m.goodge@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.telecom,uk.telecom.mobile,uk.net
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The full results follow below in the following order:
1) Information on the ballot
2) Results
3) Individual Vote Details
4) Votetakers Comments
5) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
6) Rationale & Charter
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Information on the ballot
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The options on the ballot were:
Section One:
A: Create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband'
B: Create group as 'uk.telecom.adsl'
C: Create group as 'uk.net.broadband'
D: Create group as 'uk.net.adsl'
E: Re-Open Discussion
F: Status Quo (Do not create group)
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RESULTS
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Brief Results List
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Multi-option votes in the uk.* hierarchy are decided by a two-stage
procedure. All options are first compared with votes for Status Quo (SQ),
and any which are not preferred to SQ by the required margin of 12 votes
are eliminated. The remaining options, if any, are then evaluated by the
Condorcet method.
There were 75 votes cast.
STAGE ONE:
Option A was preferred to SQ (Option F) by a margin of 28
Option B was preferred to SQ (Option F) by a margin of 23
Option C was preferred to SQ (Option F) by a margin of 22
Option D was preferred to SQ (Option F) by a margin of 13
Option E was preferred to SQ (Option F) by a margin of 15
Therefore, all options proceed to a full Condorcet count.
STAGE TWO:
A was preferred to B by 48 votes to 20, with 7 abstentions or equal-rankings.
A was preferred to C by 41 votes to 28, with 6 abstentions or equal-rankings.
A was preferred to D by 47 votes to 22, with 6 abstentions or equal rankings.
A was preferred to E by 55 votes to 15, with 5 abstentions or equal rankings.
A was preferred to F by 51 votes to 23, with 1 abstentions or equal rankings.
Option A (create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband') is therefore the
Condorcet winner.
Full Condorcet Tables
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Table 1 - Absolute Figures (Raw Preferences Grid)
A B C D E F
A: Create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband' [n/a] [ 48] [ 41] [ 47] [ 55] [ 51]
B: Create group as 'uk.telecom.adsl' [ 20] [n/a] [ 30] [ 42] [ 49] [ 47]
C: Create group as 'uk.net.broadband' [ 28] [ 38] [n/a] [ 46] [ 51] [ 47]
D: Create group as 'uk.net.adsl' [ 22] [ 22] [ 17] [n/a] [ 47] [ 43]
E: Re-Open Discussion [ 15] [ 18] [ 17] [ 21] [n/a] [ 39]
F: Status Quo (Do not create group) [ 23] [ 24] [ 25] [ 30] [ 24] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 48 votes preferred Option
A to Option B while 22 votes preferred Option D to Option A.
Table 2 - Relative Figures (Opposite Comparison Grid)
A B C D E F
A: Create group as 'uk.telecom.broadband' [n/a] [ 28] [ 13] [ 25] [ 40] [ 28]
B: Create group as 'uk.telecom.adsl' [-28] [n/a] [ -8] [ 20] [ 31] [ 23]
C: Create group as 'uk.net.broadband' [-13] [ 8] [n/a] [ 29] [ 34] [ 22]
D: Create group as 'uk.net.adsl' [-25] [-20] [-29] [n/a] [ 26] [ 13]
E: Re-Open Discussion [-40] [-31] [-34] [-26] [n/a] [ 15]
F: Status Quo (Do not create group) [-28] [-23] [-22] [-13] [-15] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column less the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's column to the option
appropriate to the number's row. For example, 28 more people preferred
Option A to Option B than preferred B to A, and 26 more people preferred
Option D to Option E than preferred E to D.
The winning option in the absolute table is that where all the numbers in
its row are higher than the number in the equivalent position in its
column. The winning option in the relative table is that which has all
positive numbers in its row and all negative numbers in its column. (On
this ballot, this is Option A).
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Individual Vote Details
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Notes:
1. Voters were asked to rank the options from 1 (highest) to 6 (lowest).
Equal rankings are allowed, and any unranked options are considered to be
given the lowest possible rating.
2. Voters used a variety of different marks (or lack of them) to indicate
unranked options. Irrespective of the actual character used, all unranked
options have been represented in the table by '-' (dash).
3. The votes column shows the ranking given by the voter to each option.
For example:
A B C D E F
voter 1 1 2 4 6 3 5
voter 2 - 2 - 1 - -
Voter 1 ranked option A first, then B, then E, then C, then F, and then D.
Voter 2 ranked Option D first, then B, and left all other options unranked.
Name Email A B C D E F
- ---- ----- -----------
Alex Dawson alex/dawson?uea/ca/ku 1 3 4 5 2 6
Alex Hardisty alex/hardisty?pqmconsultants/moc 2 2 3 3 4 1
Alex Ingram aci?dcs/ed/ca/ku 2 6 1 5 3 4
Andrew Black andrew?bach/demon/oc/ku 2 1 4 3 5 6
Andrew Hartley andrew?eastupham/rfeeserve/oc/ku 5 6 1 2 3 4
Andy Brown vote?jester/un 2 4 1 3 5 6
Anthony Naggs amn?ubik/demon/oc/ku 3 2 4 1 5 6
Bernard Peek bap?shrdlu/moc 2 - 1 3 - -
Brian Duguid brian/duguid?iname/moc 1 3 2 4 5 6
Brian {Hamilton Kelly} bhk?dsl/oc/ku 6 5 4 2 3 1
Caller ID a/ainslie?virgin/ten 2 3 1 1 - -
Chris D. cd?totalise/oc/ku 2 1 - - - -
Charles Lindsey chl?clw/cs/man/ca/ku 1 2 4 5 6 3
Chris Norris chris?cablenews/gro/ku 3 4 1 2 5 6
Conor O'Neill oneillcj?logica/moc 3 5 4 6 2 1
Cyrus Razavi cyrus?era/uk/moc 2 4 1 3 5 6
David Luscombe luscombe?csi/moc 6 6 6 6 6 1
david clark dave/clark?dial/pipex/moc 1 3 2 4 5 6
Dave Mills Davemills?ravesw/demon/oc/ku 3 1 4 2 5 6
David Mahon dmahon?amigo/oc/ku 3 1 4 2 5 6
David Wood david?wood2/gro/ku 1 3 2 4 5 6
dubski datalo1?dircon/oc/ku 2 3 1 4 5 6
E. Jones evan?evan/demon/oc/ku 1 3 2 4 6 5
Graham Murray graham?gmurray/gro/ku 3 5 2 4 6 1
Graham Nye graham?tyndale/demon/oc/ku 1 2 3 4 5 -
Guy Dawson guy?crossflight/oc/ku 1 1 1 1 5 6
Ian Chard ian?tanagra/demon/oc/ku 1 2 6 5 3 4
I-TEC itec?freeuk/moc 3 2 1 4 - -
James Coupe james?zephyr/gro/ku 2 1 1 2 1 1
James Farmer J/J/Farmer?cs/bham/ca/ku 1 2 5 6 3 4
jAmES Royal-Lawson chasm?ccl4/gro 4 6 3 5 2 1
Jon Plews jon?plews/oc/ku 1 6 6 6 3 2
Jon Thomson jon?thomson2273/rfeeserve/oc/ku 1 3 2 3 4 4
Julie Brandon julie-vote?computergeeks/oc/ku 1 2 3 3 3 4
Keith Brazington keith?quetz/demon/oc/ku 2 1 6 5 3 4
Marcus Sharma uk-catalyst?ntlworld/moc 1 4 2 6 3 5
Marcus Houlden adslvote?nukesoft/oc/ku 1 3 2 4 5 6
Mark Etherington marke?roxley/oc/ku 2 4 1 3 6 5
Mark Knight markk?knigma/gro 1 2 5 6 3 4
Matthew Thompson matt?actuality/oc/ku 5 6 2 3 4 1
Michael Parry michael?cavrdg/demon/oc/ku 1 2 3 4 5 6
Mike Belch mike?mikebelch/moc 3 1 4 2 5 6
Mike Clements mjc?mchome/demon/oc/ku 4 2 5 3 6 1
Mike Henry mike?tw2/moc 5 6 1 3 2 4
Neil n/king?bigfoot/moc 2 1 3 4 5 6
orangepeel nboyeeee?email/moc 3 1 3 2 6 6
Paul S. Owen p/owen?ic/ca/ku 5 6 1 4 2 3
Peter Duck pduck?zetnet/oc/ku 2 3 4 5 6 1
Peter G. Strangman Peter?adelheid/demon/oc/ku 6 6 1 1 6 6
Peter Gradwell peter?gradwell/moc - - 1 - - 2
Peter Morgan 18938639?pager/icq/moc 4 5 1 5 2 2
Peter Parry peter?wpp/dtl/ku 5 6 3 4 2 1
Peter Simons Peter?uk-hosting/gro/ku 1 - - - - -
Peter Sumner peter?sumnerp/demon/oc/ku 5 6 3 4 2 1
Philippe Goold pgoold?wanadoo/rf 3 1 6 2 4 5
{R} {R}?semolina/gro 3 4 5 6 2 1
Richard Lamont richard?stonix/demon/oc/ku 2 5 1 6 3 4
Richard Morris richard?tannery/oc/ku 1 3 2 4 6 5
Rick Payne rickp?rossfell/oc/ku 6 5 4 3 2 1
Richard Kettlewell rjk+adslbb?sfere/greenend/gro/ku 1 2 1 2 3 3
Robbie Robbie?arrakis/un 2 4 1 3 6 5
Robert Alan Watts adslbbvote?robertwatts/moc 4 3 2 1 5 6
Robert Woolley rob?robertwoolley/oc/ku - - - - - 1
Scott Mitchell scott/mitchell?mail/moc 1 3 2 4 6 5
Stephen Harris sweh?spuddy/mew/oc/ku 3 1 4 2 6 5
Steve Peake steve?puppet-head/oc/ku 3 1 4 2 5 6
Stevey votes?stevey/demon/oc/ku 2 1 4 3 5 6
Stuart Millington phupp?dsv1/oc/ku - - - - - 1
Sunil Sood news?soods/rfeeserve/oc/ku 2 3 - - 1 1
The Trooper the_trooper?themarines/moc 2 4 1 3 5 6
Tim Greening-Jackson tim?thesisters/demon/oc/ku 1 2 3 4 5 6
Tim Jackson tim_jackson?bigfoot/moc 1 3 2 3 5 6
Tim Walls tim?snowgoons/fsnet/oc/ku 1 2 5 6 3 4
Tony Mountifield tony?softins/clara/oc/ku 1 2 3 4 5 6
William Hester newsvote1?wilba/demon/oc/ku 6 1 5 2 3 4
There were no invalid votes.
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Votetaker's Comments
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There were very few problems with the vote. A few people left bits blank
(name and/or email address), but these were correctly resubmitted following
the initial rejection notice.
A couple of people managed to mangle the ballot paper a bit, due to leaving
too many blank spaces between the [ ]s after inserting their name and
address, which made the lines wrap. One vote arrived in HTML. All of these
were counted, but it would have made automatic parsing rather more
difficult had I chosen to do it that way.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on behalf
of the uk.* hierarchy and other 3rd parties.
The rules under which votes for the uk.* hierarchy are taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
<ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting>
The UKVoting web pages can be found at <http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/>
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce.
Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk.
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Rationale and Charter from the CFV
RATIONALE: uk.telecom.broadband
Telecommunications is a vast industry. There are several methods of
connecting to one another and of connecting to the internet. Although
ADSL and cable modems have been around for several years it is only now
that they are beginning to be offered in the UK. Other broadband
services may also become more prevalent in the future.
People are interested in finding out about such services and products
but do not want to wade through the large group that is currently
uk.telecom. The uk.telecom.mobile group has shown that a separate group
for subsets of the telecommunications industry can be a success.
CHARTER: uk.telecom.broadband
This group is a forum for discussion of broadband services, technology
and equipment as provided in the UK. Discussions of specific services
based on ADSL, cable modems or other broadband technology are also on-
topic.
The group's language is English.
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