28 Feb 2000: Creation of newsgroup uk.philosophy.atheism
From: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2000 15:40:19 GMT
Subject: RESULT : uk.philosophy.atheism FAILS
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,talk.atheism,alt.atheism.satire,alt.atheism
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RESULT - Creation of uk.philosophy.atheism FAILS
Summary of results:
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The three options were:
Option 1 : Create uk.philosophy.atheism
Re-Open Discussion
Status Quo (Neither group is created)
STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo:
Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 52 votes to 41
Re-Open Discussion preferred to Status Quo by 58 votes to 22
Re-Open Discussion is the only option to beat the Status Quo by 12 or
more votes. Accordingly it is the Condorcet winner and Stage Two is not
necessary.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 21st February 2000
Proponent: Andy Roberts <andyrobts@zetnet.co.uk>
Votetaker: Barry Salter <b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk>
Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, talk.atheism,
alt.atheism.satire, alt.atheism
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Results
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers Comments
4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines
5) Rationale & Proposed Changes
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RESULTS:
RAW PREFERENCES GRID
1 ROD SQ
Option 1 [n/a] [ 51] [ 52]
ROD [ 43] [n/a] [ 58]
Status Quo [ 41] [ 22] [n/a]
In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast
that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option
appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 52 votes preferred
option one (Create uk.philosophy.atheism) to Status Quo while 43 votes
preferred reopening the discussion to option one.
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PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE:
Creation of newsgroup uk.philosophy.atheism Final Vote Ack
666_@hack@powernet@ku@oc (Simon Gardner)
af@contract@ku@oc (Alan Fleming)
aidan@celestis@freeserve@ku@oc (Aidan Folkes)
alaric@harlech@demon@ku@oc (Iain Bowen)
alex-news@oenone@demon@ku@oc (Alex D@ Baxter)
alex@dawson@uea@ku@ca (Alex Dawson)
andrew@peek-a-boo@ku@rgo (Andrew Stoker)
andyrobts@zetnet@ku@oc (Andy Roberts)
ben_abbotts@mail@omc (Ben Abbotts)
black-dog@geocities@omc (Geoff (Blade Runner))
bob@loud-n-clear@omc (Bob Scott)
brett@dimetrodon@demon@ku@oc (Brett Paul Dunbar)
briancarter1@claramail@omc (Brian Carter)
bryank@btinternet@omc (Bryan Kennerley)
burkesworks@lineone@etn (Tez Burke)
chris@raistrick@usa@etn (Chris Raistrick)
chris@keris@demon@ku@oc (Chris Croughton)
chris@mailroom@omc (Chris Hall)
cjl@ocrixon@demon@ku@oc (Chris Livsey)
colinr@astro@on@iou (Colin Rosenthal)
d@budd@mcc@ku@ca (a plantigrade omnivore)
d@hillam@btinternet@omc (Dave Hillam)
d@s@twyman@talk21@ku@oc (David Twyman)
darren@meldrum@ku@oc (Darren Meldrum)
ddcollman@hwthwood@demon@ku@oc (Danny Collman)
dennis@lupins@fsnet@ku@oc (Dennis Moore)
dweller@ramtops@ku@oc (Doug Weller)
ghotine@yahoo@omc (Gary Hotine)
graemeb@zetnet@ku@oc (Graeme Bell)
graham_wilkie@yahoo@omc (Graham Wilkie)
grantharry@hotmail@omc (Harry Grant)
gwen_jones@cybergal@omc (Gwen Jones)
h@nareid@nareid@demon@ku@oc (Helge Nareid)
harlequin@fnord@ku@rgo (Harlequin)
harry@holden@talk21@ku@oc (Harry Holden)
hawx@pmail@etn (Chris Hawks)
huge@axalotl@demon@ku@oc (Huge)
ian@john-richard@ku@oc (Ian Peattie)
ian@soliton-software@omc (Ian Cargill)
j@goldberg@cranfield@ku@ca (Jeffrey Goldberg)
james@lloyd@dtn@ntl@omc (James Lloyd)
james@sfgiants22@freeserve@ku@oc (James Farrar)
jcb@avism@demon@ku@oc (John B@)
jezza@hotwell@freeserve@ku@oc (Jezza)
jim@jibbering@omc (Jim Ley)
jo@bluejo@demon@ku@oc (Jo Walton)
john_fisher61@hotmail@omc (John Fisher)
jrk@sys@uea@ku@ca (Richard Kennaway)
keith@quetz@demon@ku@oc (Keith Brazington)
mark@good-stuff@ku@oc (Mark Goodge)
martin@thomas@martint@etnlineuk@etn (Martin Thomas)
mbm@acm@org (Malcolm Mladenovic)
mchu7ap2@fs2@ee@umist@ku@ca (Alex Page)
mike@tauzero@ku@oc (Mike Fleming)
mike@tw2@omc (Mike Henry)
miller@bits@bris@ku@ca (Simon Miller)
mmm27@cam@ku@ca (hamster)
molly@orbs@demon@ku@oc (Molly Mockford)
newsreply@amigo@ku@oc (David Mahon)
nick@nregan@ku@oc (Nick Regan)
p@j@leake@durham@ku@ca (Paul Leake)
peek_s@hotmail@omc (Steve Peek)
peter@psyche@demon@ku@oc (Peter H@M@ Brooks)
peteralf@mailme@dk (Peter Alfredsen)
peterwilliams2000@bigfoot@omc (Peter Williams)
peter_wilson2000@yahoo@omc (Peter Wilson)
ph@anweald@exnet@ku@oc (Patrick Herring)
philip@blencathra@demon@ku@oc (Philip Powell)
pmh@btinternet@omc (Paul M@ Hutchinson)
ppp@pirinen@demon@ku@oc (Pekka P@ Pirinen)
rich-old-codger@i-n-t-e-r-a-c-t-i-v-e@etn (The Random Posting Network)
richard@newbold@zetnet@ku@oc (Rik Newbold)
richard@primepeace@ltd@uk (Richard Tibbetts)
rob_stevens@yahoo@omc (Rob Stevens)
robbie@ukvotes@arrakis@nu (robbie)
rogersf@callnetuk@omc (Fred Rogers)
rosenstiel@cix@ku@oc (Colin Rosenstiel)
rtboyce@bigwig@etn (Richard Boyce)
s@martin@rrdo@ku@oc (Steve Martin)
simon@star-one@ku@rgo (simon gray)
six@screamingeagle@in2home@ku@oc (Six)
slewin@clara@ku@oc (Steve Lewin)
smatt@1st-legend@ku@oc (Shane Matthews)
sox@fdn@ku@oc (Sox)
spod@venicones@demon@ku@oc (Stuart O'Donnell)
steve@wrightnet@demon@ku@oc (Steve Wright)
steven@bowness@demon@ku@oc (Steven Carr)
tez@pierrot@ku@oc (Terrance Richard Boyes)
tfl@psp@ku@oc (Thomas Lee)
tim@arcady@demon@ku@oc (Tim Brutton)
tim@kooky@org (Tim Bray)
tm9829@bristol@ku@ca (Tim Miller)
tony@darkstorm@ku@oc (Tony)
tware@video2cd@ku@oc (Therion Ware)
uk@philosophy@atheism@jhc@ku@rgo (Jim Hill)
upavote@snuffy@in2home@ku@oc (Ellen Mizzell)
vashti+cfv@dream@ku@rgo (Rachael Munns)
votes@alexh@clara@ku@oc (Alex Holden)
wj@tesco@etn (Jason Waghorn)
{r}@semolina@org ({R})
Status Quo -----\
Re-Open Discussion ----\|
Option 1 ---\||
||| Preference
Simon Gardner 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Alan Fleming A12 ROD > SQ > 1
Aidan Folkes 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Iain Bowen 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Alex D@ Baxter AAA 1 = ROD = SQ
Alex Dawson 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Andrew Stoker 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Andy Roberts 132 1 > SQ > ROD
Ben Abbotts 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Geoff (Blade Runner) 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Bob Scott 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Brett Paul Dunbar 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Brian Carter 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Bryan Kennerley 12A 1 > ROD > SQ
Tez Burke 122 1 > ROD = SQ
Chris Raistrick 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Chris Croughton 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Chris Hall 122 1 > ROD = SQ
Chris Livsey 132 1 > SQ > ROD
Colin Rosenthal 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
a plantigrade omnivore 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Dave Hillam 312 ROD > SQ > 1
David Twyman 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Darren Meldrum 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Danny Collman 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Dennis Moore 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Doug Weller 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Gary Hotine 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Graeme Bell 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Graham Wilkie 211 ROD = SQ > 1
Harry Grant 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Gwen Jones 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Helge Nareid 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Harlequin 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Harry Holden 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Chris Hawks 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Huge 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Ian Peattie 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Ian Cargill 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Jeffrey Goldberg 312 ROD > SQ > 1
James Lloyd 123 1 > ROD > SQ
James Farrar 221 SQ > 1 = ROD
John B@ 213 ROD > 1 > SQ
Jezza 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Jim Ley 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Jo Walton 123 1 > ROD > SQ
John Fisher 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Richard Kennaway 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Keith Brazington 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Mark Goodge 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Martin Thomas 12A 1 > ROD > SQ
Malcolm Mladenovic 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Alex Page 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Mike Fleming 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Mike Henry 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Simon Miller A21 SQ > ROD > 1
hamster 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Molly Mockford AAA 1 = ROD = SQ
David Mahon 132 1 > SQ > ROD
Nick Regan 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Paul Leake 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Steve Peek 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Peter H@M@ Brooks 155 1 > ROD = SQ
Peter Alfredsen 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Peter Williams 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Peter Wilson 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Patrick Herring 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Philip Powell 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Paul M@ Hutchinson 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Pekka P@ Pirinen 312 ROD > SQ > 1
The Random Posting Network 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Rik Newbold 213 ROD > 1 > SQ
Richard Tibbetts 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Rob Stevens 321 SQ > ROD > 1
robbie 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Fred Rogers 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Colin Rosenstiel 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Richard Boyce 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Steve Martin 321 SQ > ROD > 1
simon gray AAA 1 = ROD = SQ
Six 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Steve Lewin 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Shane Matthews A1A ROD > 1 = SQ
Sox 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Stuart O'Donnell 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Steve Wright 132 1 > SQ > ROD
Steven Carr 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Terrance Richard Boyes 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Thomas Lee 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Tim Brutton 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Tim Bray 123 1 > ROD > SQ
Tim Miller 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Tony AAA 1 = ROD = SQ
Therion Ware 132 1 > SQ > ROD
Jim Hill 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Ellen Mizzell 1AA 1 > ROD = SQ
Rachael Munns 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Alex Holden 321 SQ > ROD > 1
Jason Waghorn 123 1 > ROD > SQ
{R} 312 ROD > SQ > 1
Key: A = Abstain/No Preference
INVALID VOTES
NONE
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Votetakers Comments:
Once again, this vote had a fairly large turnout and it could have gone
either way right up to the close of voting.
This vote also saw a large number of voters using web-based mail
accounts rather than the more usual ISPs.
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RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion)
An atheist group in uk.* is long overdue, support
having been demonstrated long ago, but doesn't fit
anywhere else that is acceptable. The newly formed
uk.philosophy sub-hierarchy provides a suitable home
for this group.
Summary of Discussion:
+ Many posts in favour of the group being created under the name
uk.philosophy.atheism.
+ A few minor problems with the wording of the charter have been
resolved
+ A small number of people are arguing repeatedly for the group to be
placed in the uk.religion hierarchy, as per the failed RFD of 12
months ago. The proponent feels that demonstrated opposition to
this idea is so overwhelming that it isn't worth wasting any more
time by pursuing it again.
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CHARTER
Newsgroups line:
uk.philosophy.atheism atheist philosophies,UK atheism + atheists
CHARTER: uk.philosophy.atheism
A group for UK atheists and for discussion of atheism and the
philosophies of atheism in the UK.
Non-atheists, humanists and agnostics are welcome to participate
but proselytising by christians and other theists is considered
off-topic and unwelcome.
Advertisements are banned.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden. Posts must be readable as plain text.
HTML, RTF and similarly formatted messages are prohibited.
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