09 Jun 1997: uk.education.{not-at-school|home-education}
From: Iain Bowen <voting@harlech.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 1997 20:27:11 GMT
Subject: RESULT: uk.education.home-education PASSES
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.education.misc
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EMBARGO: This result was embargoed until Sunday, 8th June due to votetaker
absence from the UK.
RESULT
Creation of uk.education.home-education
Voting closed 23:59:59 GMT, Tuesday 20th May 1997.
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING.
UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in
the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting. Further
information on UK-VOTING can be found at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk
For voting questions only contact voting@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen).
For questions about the new group contact the proposer
at the address given below:
ncf@borve.demon.co.uk (Dr. Neil C. Fernandez)
Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, alt.education,
alt.education.home-school.christian,
alt.education.home-school.disabilities,
misc.education.home-school.christian,
misc.education.home-school.misc,
uk.education.misc
And sent to the following mailing-lists:
home-ed@world.std.com
anarchy-list@cwi.nl
Summary of Result: uk.education.home-education PASSES 38:26:27
Summary:
uk.education.home-education Home Education of Children Not Enrolled at School.
Rationale:
The purpose of this newsgroup is to provide a forum for discussion for
everyone involved or interested in home education in the UK: that is, the
education of children who are not registered at any school. Although not
everybody is aware of the fact that school is *not compulsory*, it is
legally clear that parents have the responsibility to ensure that their
children are educated, a responsibility which they do not have to delegate
to schools. Currently around 8000 families exercise their right not to send
their children to school, educating at least 13000 children, mostly at
home.
CHARTER:
uk.education.home-education is for the discussion of issues and
sharing of experiences relating to the home education of children in the
UK who are not enrolled in the school system (also known as 'unschooling',
'home-schooling', or 'educating otherwise'). E.g. educational experiences
of parents and children involved in home education; relations with local
educational authorities; legal matters; educational resources and ideas and
methods; announcements of coming events; home educating children with
disabilities or learning difficulties; starting-up after nightmare
experiences involving school (bullying by pupils or teachers, 'school
phobia', etc.); and all sorts of discoveries, wants, requests,
suggestions, announcements, gripes, tips, moans, letters of support,
arguments, and so on and so forth.
Advertising:
Not permitted. Occasional genuine personal recommendations are acceptable
by those without a financial interest in the resource they are bringing to
people's attention.
Binaries and HTML:
No binaries. Pointers to interesting websites are encouraged.
Moderated:
This group will not be moderated.
END CHARTER
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The count
There were 119 ballots received from individual accounts, of which 91 were
deemed valid.
FIRST COUNT (Quota = 47)
uk.education.not-at-school 26 ELIMINATED
uk.education.home-education 38
Do not create group 27
The newsgroup also passed the hurdle here of the sum of the votes for the
creation of a newsgroup being 12 greater than the votes for non-creation.
SECOND COUNT (Elimination of uk.education.not-at-school) (quota becomes 46)
uk.education.home-education 38 + 25 = 63 ELECTED
Do not create group 27
Non-Transferable 1
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FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
The following list of addresses is copyright 1997 by the Revolutionary
Penguin Press(1985). Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote
for this newsgroup is prohibited.
ablank(at)univenture.com Andrew Blank 1 2
adickson(at)POST.Almac.Co.UK Alastair Dickson 2 1 3
amethyst(at)jadzia.demon.co.uk "Amethyst" 2 3 1
andy_meek(at)msn.com Andrew Meek 2 1 3
asturne(at)ibm.net Alec Turner 1 2 3
austen(at)tentacle.demon.co.uk Austen Jackson 1 2 3
aw1(at)stade.co.uk Adrian Wontroba 2 1
Alexander.Black(at)westgroup.com Alexander Black 2 1
Andrew(at)ringo.demon.co.uk Elna Hadlington-Smith 2 1 3
Andy(at)cavebears.demon.co.uk A. Bayliss 1 2 3
Annchgo(at)aol.com Anne Wasserman 2 1 3
beckel(at)juno.com Amy Beckel 1 2 3
bill.muskett(at)which.net Bill Musket 2 1 3
bkelly(at)odo.elan.af.mil Brent Kelly 2 1
bray(at)iupui.edu Bruce Ray 1
bry(at)mnsinc.com Brian Carling 2 1
carts(at)radef.nrl.navy.mil Marty Carts 2 1
catesa(at)coredcs.com Art Cates 1 2
ccx061(at)coventry.ac.uk Wendy Taylor 1 2
chl(at)clw.cs.man.ac.uk Charles Lindsey 3 2 1
cllv13(at)ccsun.strath.ac.uk I.M. Mackay 2 1 3
CDAdair(at)aol.com Dainne Adair 2 1
Cinn.Lund(at)btinternet.com Norman Lund 2 1 3
Claire.Speed(at)mailhost.mcc.ac.uk Claire Speed 1
darren(at)meldrum.co.uk Darren Meldrum 1
dhanson(at)hal-pc.org David Hanson 2 1 3
dweller(at)ramtops.demon.co.uk Doug Weller 1
ellen(at)tictac.demon.co.uk Ellen Mizzell 3 2 1
figgins(at)dnai.com Scott Figgins 1 2 3
graeme(at)agcomp.demon.co.uk Graeme Hendry 3 2 1
heather(at)anarki.net Heather Anderson 1 2
hilde(at)borve.demon.co.uk Hilde Fernandez 1 2
Hunsberger_jon(at)msn.com Jonthan Hunsburger 1 2 3
ian(at)johnrich.demon.co.uk Ian Peattie 1
idaniel(at)jesus.ox.ac.uk Illtud Daniel 2 1
Ian(at)pogona.demon.co.uk Ian Donaldson 2 1 3
jajones(at)ermine.ox.ac.uk Jonathan Jones 1
jennifer(at)throw.com Jennifer Kurkoski 1 2
jjf(at)dsbc.icl.co.uk J.J. Farrell 1
jon(at)serf.org Jon Harley 1 2
jonathan(at)mirror.demon.co.uk Jonathan Allan 2 1 3
js(at)rocket.demon.co.uk James Sears 1
J.Massheder(at)ed.ac.uk Jonathan Massheder 1 2
JosUndrhl(at)aol.com Jos Underhill 1 2 3
kate(at)jbaassoc.demon.co.uk Kate Alexander 3 2 1
keith(at)cowtown.demon.co.uk Keith Willoughby 3 1 2
kevin(at)quipu.waterloo-rdp.on.ca Kevin Schoedel 1 2
maxine(at)iii.co.uk Maxine Lehmann 1
mayalld(at)it.postoffice.co.uk Dave Mayall 3 2 1
mbm(at)mort.demon.co.uk Malcolm Mladenovic 1
michael(at)cavrdg.demon.co.uk Michael Parry 2 1
mishlowe(at)indirect.com Michelle Lowe 1 2 3
mrowland(at)ffutures.demon.co.uk Marcus Rowland 3 2 1
M.P.Radford(at)exeter.ac.uk Martin Radford 2 1
Mike(at)lhome.demon.co.uk Michael Lightfoot 2 1 3
ncf(at)borve.demon.co.uk Neil Fernandez 1 2 3
nigel(at)ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton 1 2
NeilSGT(at)aol.com Neil Taylor 2 1
paul(at)pcserv.demon.co.uk Paul Carpenter 1
pb10003(at)cus.cam.ac.uk Paul Bolchover 3 2 1
peol0005(at)student.gu.se Per Olesson 1 2 3
peter(at)wppltd.demon.co.uk Peter Parry 2 3 1
phil(at)vision25.demon.co.uk Phil Hunt 1
pkerr(at)voicenet.com Pamela Kerr 1 2 3
preeve1(at)po-box.mcgill.ca Paul Reeve 2 1
pseyfrth(at)sushi.st.usm.edu Phyllis Seyfarth 2 1
pyoung(at)pcnet.com Patricia Sendroff 2 1
qs01(at)dial.pipex.com Malcolm Muckle 1 2
rab(at)Unify.Com Ruthann Biel 2 1
richard(at)illuin.demon.co.uk Richard Letts 1 2
robbie(at)arakeen.demon.co.uk Robert Irvine[3] 3 3 1
rogerv(at)btinternet.com Roger Venison 2 1 3
R.E.Horne(at)shu.ac.uk Ralph Horne 1
R.H.Harris(at)canterbury.ac.uk Richard Harris 2 1
Rodenamjona(at)btinternet.com Robert J Field 2 1 3
sclark1(at)ix.netcom.com Sharon Clark 1 2
simon(at)star-one.org.uk Simon Gray 1
slewin(at)zetnet.co.uk Steve Lewin 1
smw(at)stade1.demon.co.uk Sue Wontroba 1 2 3
stephen.gower(at)st-catherines.oxford.ac.uk
Stephen Gower 3 2 1
swfb(at)bokop.win-uk.net S.W.F. Borthwick 2 1
swilbur(at)wcnet.org Shawn Wilbur 1 2 3
SDeuchars(at)aol.com Shena Deuchars 2 1 3
taemmer(at)infinet.com Angela West Emmer 1 2 3
tdawson(at)mail.vt.edu Tina Dawson 2 1 3
tfl(at)psp.co.uk Thomas Lee[3] 3 3 1
tigger(at)sylvan.com Grace Sylvan 2 1
training(at)bcceddts.demon.co.uk Andy Mabbett 1
wendrie(at)zevmac.demon.co.uk Wendrie Heywood 1 2 3
xdz79(at)dial.pipex.com Jan Jurczak-George 2 1 3
yelah(at)yelah.pp.se Per-Olof Sten 1 2 3
Votes in Error
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100546.1111(at)CompuServe.COM See below[8][9]
arque(at)zetnet.co.uk No real name or "handle" given[6]
chasm(at)zetnet.co.uk Invalid Voting Method[4]
dburk(at)lexis-nexismail.com No real name or "handle" given[6]
e_o(at)mail.netlink.co.uk See below[8][9]
fireflies(at)easynet.co.uk See below[7][8][9]
ja-ri(at)juno.com Invalid References Header[1]
jkcrook(at)msn.com Unclear identification of voter[2]
John.Mercer(at)btinternet.com No Ballot[0]
keaton(at)mcs.nl No real name or "handle" given[6]
mgt(at)tuppambr.demon.co.uk See below[8]
mike(at)oit.net Invalid References Header[1]
m_moy(at)juno.com Invalid References Header[1]
pvanburen(at)arcadis.be See below[2][5]
pmoore(at)ccs.carleton.ca No Ballot[0]
skater1(at)deakin.edu.au No Ballot[0]
sl(at)enterprise.net See below[8]
tbrennan(at)netcomuk.co.uk See below[8][9]
[0] As has been mentioned many times before, a voting statement does not
suffice, especially as in some of these cases the voting statment is
ambiguous, for example, an email simply saying "YES".
[1] The References: header where present should reference either a CFV
message-id or a message-id sent out of harlech.demon.co.uk in
response to a CFV Request. Anything else is deemed to be a passed ballot.
This could be due to a mailer not implementing RFC822 correctly, get a
new mailer.
[2] These cases are where a From: line identifies an account used by multiple
people but no single real name or "handle" has been put in the real name
field on the ballot.
[3] Vote valid for first preference, then invalid for transfers.
[4] Whilst a single "X" is valid for AV votes, other indications and multiple
X or YES/NO votes are not valid
[5] Acknowledgement bounced, user unknown.
[6] These are cases where the voter has failed to identify themselves by
anything but the email account. "handles" are permitted in the voting
rather than "real names", but they must be verifiable.
[7] Normally, I wouldn't point this out. There was multiple voting from
this account, as with the standard practice for this each ballot has
been replaced by the subsequent ballot from this address as they
arrived in time order. In all three ballots came from this address.
Also see [9].
[8] When I send out a ballot, I keep a list of whom I have sent them to.
Votes arriving on ballots that have purportedly been sent by me to a
account that I have not sent them to are invalid.
[9] One person has attempted to vote a number of times from a number
of different accounts (using passed on ballots as well, sigh). This
also had the effect of cancelling legitimate ballots from this
account under [7]. The addresses affected by this will be banned
from any future ballots held by me. This also included in two
of the cases, some dabbling in header forgery, so I am not terribly
inspired to accept it was an accident.
Votetakers Comments
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I am not entirely happy with this result, there are a number of things about
this balloting process which have not been kosher. The three things that have
been raised on uk.net.news.config are dealt with below.
1) Groups on CFV - A number of people regard the non-appearance of their
favoured group names on a CFV as some sort of vote fraud. In my opinion,
it is not vote-fraud - the problem is that whilst the taxonomic mavens
on unnc frequently produce some very good names for groups, does not
mean that the proponents have to take these on board. It is a long
USENET tradition within voting that the proponent owns the CFV and they
may go ahead with the name if they insist enough (see rec.music.white-power
amongst others). I do not believe that this absence has stopped anyone
from voting, indeed I suspect it has put the turnout up. Whilst keeping the
selection of groups down to the ones that you favour might be economical
with the actualite on presentation to the electorate, it is not the end of
the world as people know it.
2) CFV distribution - due to an error on *MY* part (and I take full
responsibility for this), the first CFV was not distributed to
uk.education.misc, the second was. I did toy with the idea of a third
CFV posted only to uk.education.misc, but due to the latest great news
blip, any replies came out too late. Considering the large amount of
brouhaha which spilled over on uk.education.misc during the CFV period,
I would be surprised if the omission of the first CFV has made any changes
to the turnout.
3) The Education Otherwise web-pages - the CFV was put up on these web pages
including a mailto: link, this was despite the explicit comments in the
votes rubric about this. However, the site is not especially active and
the site owner has offered the site logs without any requests from me.
Given the short period of time that it was on there, I again do not think
that there was much, if any, effect on the voting.
As for the rest of it, I can say that I am 100% happy with the results -
there was obviously some ballot passing going on and there are few tools that
can be used to detect this. Those which can be used, have been. However, I
am reasonably happy that this ballot has produced the result which a ballot
with no passing of CFV's around would have produced.
There are some other issues, however, these lie outside my remit as a
votetaker and it is not appropriate for me to comment on them within this
forum.
Oh yes, before the flamewars start, remember it's only fscking Network News.
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