From control@usenet.org.uk Tue Apr 1 14:33:46 BST 1997 Article: 628 of uk.net.news.announce Path: lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk!hole.news.pipex.net!pipex!weld.news.pipex.net!pipex!burn.news.pipex.net!pipex!hose.news.pipex.net!pipex!rill.news.pipex.net!pipex!dispatch.news.demon.net!demon!illuin.demon.co.uk!illuin.demon.co.uk!control From: Iain Bowen Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.telecom Subject: RESULTS: uk.telecom.* : MIXED RESULTS Followup-To: uk.net.news.config,uk.telecom Date: Mon, 31 Mar 1997 18:50:52 GMT Sender: Richard Letts Approved: Richard Letts Message-ID: Reply-To: control@usenet.org.uk NNTP-Posting-Host: illuin.demon.co.uk X-NNTP-Posting-Host: illuin.demon.co.uk Lines: 248 Xref: lyra.csx.cam.ac.uk uk.net.news.config:16842 uk.net.news.announce:628 uk.telecom:102228 Status: OR RESULT Creation of uk.telecom.video-conf FAILS 48:73 Creation of uk.telecom.mobile PASSES 86:55 Renaming of uk.telecom to uk.telecom.misc FAILS 66:77 Voting Closed: 23:59:59 GMT, Monday 10th March 1997 This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting. Further information on UK-VOTING can be found at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk For voting questions only contact voting@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen). For questions on uk.telecom.mobile contact: p-dent@ti.con (Peter Dent) DISTRIBUTION: These results have been posted to the following newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.telecom Newsgroup lines: uk.telecom.mobile Mobile telephone equipment and networks CHARTER: uk.telecom.mobile This group is for the discussion of topics relevant to:- 1) The UK mobile and paging telephone companies. (eg, Cellnet, Vodafone, One2One & Orange) Fixed wireless services (eg Ionica & Atlantic Telecom) are NOT mobile. 2) Telephone equipment available for the above networks Advertisements are not allowed, except one posting of 3 lines + URL for new services/products that are significantly different from that currently available. Binaries are not permitted on this group, however references to FTP-able material and Web URL's are allowed. Summary: uk.telecom.video-conf failed. uk.telecom.mobile passed. uk.telecom to remain as is. Ballots received and validated ------------------------------ 70630(at)compuserve.com Paul Ratcliffe YES YES YES ajcowie(at)cix.co.uk Andrew J Cowie NO NO NO alastair(at)alimac.demon.co.uk Alastair McIntyre YES YES YES alan(at)asalmon.cix.co.uk Alan Salmon ABS YES NO alan.ralph(at)ukonline.co.uk Alan Ralph YES YES YES alex(at)nwnet.co.uk Alex Comerford NO YES YES alex(at)pgm-cons.demon.co.uk Alex Hardisty NO NO YES andrea(at)bloodaxe.demon.co.uk Andrea Chee YES YES YES andy(at)ananam.demon.co.uk Andy Lindsay NO NO NO awhiteb(at)cix.compulink.co.uk Alan White NO NO NO A.D.B.Monro(at)exeter.ac.uk A.D.B Monro NO NO NO Alan(at)cadleyclump.demon.co.uk Alan Kay NO NO NO bellaire(at)tk.com James Belaire NO YES NO bob(at)bobg.demon.co.uk Bob Geddes YES YES YES bridgesm(at)logica.com Martin Bridges ABS YES YES bsc(at)bigfoot.com Benedict Cullum YES YES NO BlackA(at)logica.com Andrew Black YES YES YES Brian.Cockburn(at)i-cubed.co.uk Brian Cockburn NO YES YES ceetnk(at)cee.hw.ac.uk Timothy Kimber NO ABS NO chasm(at)zetnet.co.uk James Lawson NO NO NO chl(at)clw.cs.man.ac.uk Charles Lindsey NO YES ABS chris(at)kenda.co.uk Chris Isbell ABS YES YES chris.dearlove(at)gecm.com Chris Dearlove NO ABS NO cobb(at)rdgeng.enet.dec.com Graham Cobb NO NO NO cornelius(at)vercor.demon.co.uk Marc Cornelius NO NO NO cudac(at)csv.warwick.ac.uk Tim Clark YES NO NO Charles(at)ellson.demon.co.uk Charles Ellson ABS YES YES ChrisC(at)pobox.co.uk "Chris" YES YES NO Claire.Speed(at)mailhost.mcc.ac.uk Claire Speed NO YES ABS Colin(at)meucymru.co.uk Colin Bennett YES YES YES Conor(at)puddle.demon.co.uk Conor O'Neill YES YES YES dabf(at)uk.gdscorp.com Dave Fuggle YES NO NO dan(at)dangl.demon.co.uk Dan Glover NO YES NO dave(at)dsds.demon.co.uk Dave Spencer YES YES YES dave(at)llondel.demon.co.uk David Hough NO NO NO david(at)election.demon.co.uk David Boothroyd NO NO YES david(at)wood2.demon.co.uk David Wood NO YES YES david.mayall(at)ukonline.co.uk David Mayall NO YES YES davtom(at)drmach.demon.co.uk David Thomas ABS YES YES dcutts(at)cix.comulink.co.uk Dave Cutts YES YES YES douglas.holland(at)theshack.co.uk Douglas Holland NO NO YES Don(at)DC-TRAIN.demon.co.uk Don Carter YES YES YES DURKIN(at)NTCNAAS01PB.ntc.nokia.con Durkin Martin NO NO NO etlkhhd(at)etlxdmx.ericsson.se Keith Hood NO NO NO garry(at)goldhill.demon.co.uk "Garry" YES YES YES geoffw(at)zetnet.co.uk Geoff Webster NO NO NO gkb(at)aber.ac.uk Gary Barnes YES YES YES graham(at)barnowl.demon.co.uk Graham Murray NO NO NO gwc(at)root.co.uk Geoff Clare YES YES YES Graeme.Thomas(at)insignia.co.uk Graeme Thomas NO NO NO Gregm(at)raynet.demon.co.uk Greg Mossop NO NO NO hansenho(at)dircon.co.uk Chris Hansen-Ho YES YES YES hasan(at)state.demon.co.uk Hasan Ali NO NO NO hgmunk(at)shumitza.demon.co.uk Herbert Munk YES YES YES hick(at)pobox.co.uk Gareth Babb NO YES YES Howard.Orgel(at)orgels.demon.co.uk Howard Orgel NO NO NO ian(at)johnrich.demon.co.uk Ian Peattie NO YES YES ian(at)tigcomms.demon.co.uk Ian Hay NO NO YES ian(at)weirdness.com Ian Chard NO YES YES idaniel(at)jesus.ox.ac.uk Illtud Daniel YES YES ABS ivan(at)ardent.co.uk Ivan Finegan ABS YES NO Ian(at)sharpip.demon.co.uk Ian Sharp YES YES YES jason(at)heaven.demon.co.uk Jason Crouch NO NO NO jefft(at)cix.compulink.co.uk Jeff Taylor NO NO NO jfhall(at)avondale.demon.co.uk John Hall ABS ABS NO jim(at)jh-c.demon.co.uk Jim Hill NO NO NO jml4(at)cus.cam.ac.uk John Line ABS YES ABS jnoble(at)armltd.co.uk Jim Noble YES YES YES jockm(at)basluton.demon.co.uk Jock Mackirdy ABS YES NO john(at)jfaqs.sonnet.co.uk John Anstey ABS YES YES john(at)linux.demon.co.uk John Phillips ABS YES YES jon(at)serf.org Jon Harley YES YES NO jonathan(at)klnhd.demon.co.uk Jonathan Key YES YES YES jonsg(at)harlequin.co.uk Jon Green NO YES YES jrg(at)blodwen.demon.co.uk James Grinter NO NO NO jsw(at)isise.rl.ac.uk John Wright YES YES NO Janusz.Lukasiak(at)mailhost.mcc.ac.uk Janusz Lukasiak YES NO NO John(at)blundell.demon.co.uk John Blundell ABS NO NO ken(at)kenhughes.prestel.co.uk Ken Hughes YES YES YES ken.veasey(at)btinternet.com Ken Veasey YES YES YES les(at)tracker.demon.co.uk Les Carleton NO YES YES leveret(at)warren.demon.co.uk Nick Leverton ABS YES NO mark(at)dumbrill.demon.co.uk Mark Dumbrill YES YES YES matthew(at)itconsult.co.uk Matthew Richardson NO NO YES mbm(at)mort.demon.co.uk Malcolm Mladenovic ABS ABS NO mc(at)mchome.demon.co.uk Mike Clements NO NO NO meldrum(at)dial.pipex.com Darren Meldrum ABS NO NO melkor(at)utumno.demon.co.uk Jeremy Evans NO NO NO michael(at)cavrdg.demon.co.uk Michael Parry YES YES YES mike(at)mikecat.demon.co.uk Mike Cattell NO NO NO mike(at)tigana.demon.co.uk Mike Convey ABS ABS NO mike(at)tw2.com Mike Henry YES YES YES mike.ginger(at)metricom.seuk.com Mike Ginger YES YES NO mjb(at)pootle.demon.co.uk Michael Brown YES YES NO MCF(at)datcon.co.uk Matthew Finlayson NO NO NO Merkarell(at)ellmar.demon.co.uk Mark Eller YES YES YES Mike.Belch(at)UK.Sun.COM Mike Belch YES YES YES ncw(at)axis.demon.co.uk Nick Craig-Wood NO NO NO neil(at)nharris.demon.co.uk Neil Harris NO NO NO nick(at)aboard.co.uk Nick Perry NO YES YES nick(at)njp-systems.cix.co.uk Nick Pulsford YES YES YES nigel.scott(at)dial.pipex.com Nigel Scott ABS YES NO nightwol(at)dircon.co.uk Steve Fagg NO NO NO nsimmons(at)scigen.co.uk "nsimmons" ABS NO NO oakleym(at)admin.ehche.ac.uk Mark Oakley NO NO NO pabooth(at)totalweb.co.uk Paul Booth NO YES NO parkin(at)solartron.com Dave Parkin YES YES NO paul(at)pcserv.demon.co.uk Paul Carpenter NO ABS NO pb10003(at)cus.cam.ac.uk Paul Bolchover YES YES INV[1] pete(at)physchem.ox.ac.uk Pete Biggs NO NO NO peter(at)aldie.co.uk Peter Ilieve NO NO NO peter(at)sumnerp.demon.co.uk Peter Sumner NO NO NO peter(at)verrine.demon.co.uk Peter Corlett NO NO NO phil.henry(at)telcore.demon.co.uk Phil Henry NO NO YES pmd(at)tcp.net.uk Phil Dye NO YES YES pstaveley(at)zetnet.co.uk Peter Staveley ABS YES YES p-dent(at)ti.com Peter Dent ABS YES YES Peter(at)adelheid.demon.co.uk Peter Strangman NO NO NO Peter(at)lemoncurry.compulink.co.uk Peter McMinn YES YES NO Philip.Moss(at)Swindon.gpsemi.com Philip Moss NO NO NO richard(at)bonshaw.demon.co.uk Richard Anderton NO NO NO richard(at)cogsci.ed.ac.uk Richard Tobin NO NO NO richard(at)corixia.demon.co.uk Richard Ashton NO YES NO richard(at)illuin.demon.co.uk Richard Letts ABS YES NO richard(at)stonix.demon.co.uk Richard Lamont YES YES YES richard(at)turnpike.com Richard Clayton YES YES NO rickm(at)pixel.co.uk Rick Martin NO YES NO rrl(at)minfo.demon.co.uk R Ross-Langley NO YES YES RJ.Millar(at)ulst.ac.uk Richard Millar ABS YES YES RJAVERY(at)europem01.nt.com Richard Avery ABS YES YES RSW(at)anchorag.demon.co.uk Russell Whitworth NO YES YES sca(at)heysford.demon.co.uk Simon Allen YES YES NO simon(at)nuts.demon.co.uk Simon Bonnick NO NO NO simon(at)star-one.org.uk Simon Gray ABS ABS NO sjg(at)k2.stcatz.ox.ac.uk Stephen Gower NO YES NO stepbar(at)nortel.ca Steve Barnes YES YES YES steven.clarke(at)keble.oxford.ac.uk Steven Clark YES YES ABS stuart(at)hyperion.co.uk Stuart Fiske ABS YES YES Simon(at)obsydian.demon.co.uk "Simon" NO NO NO telecon(at)dircon.co.uk Steve Ellwood NO NO NO tfl(at)psp.co.uk Thomas Lee YES YES YES tgold(at)microvst.demon.co.uk Anthony Gold ABS YES YES tone(at)antb.demon.co.uk "Tone" YES YES YES training(at)bcceddts.demon.co.uk Andy Mabbett YES ABS YES TEX(at)rmcs,cranfield.ac.uk Brian Kelly ABS NO NO u4d14cc(at)cc.keele.ac.uk Julian White YES YES NO v.narinian(at)ic.ac.uk Vartan Narinian NO NO NO vashti(at)drmach.demon.co.uk Rachael Munns NO YES YES Invalid ballots --------------- chris(at)monrepos.no.spam.demon.co.uk Spamblock peter(at)wppltd.demon.co.uk Reply-To set to localhost root(at)quetz.demon.co.uk Administative Address [0]Real Names (or established handles) were not a requirement for this vote due to the idiot votetaker not putting space for them on the ballot. [1] Only the vote on the third part of the ballot was invalid, the rest of the ballot was counted. Votetakers Rant --------------- 149 valid ballots were received. The majority of which where correctly formatted although a number had the votes outside the voting box. I shall have to work on improving the rubric again :-( But no complete CFV's were sent back which was much better than normal. Apart from the usual problems with votes, the two new fun things appear to be spamblocks and setting your reply-to address as localhost. The Perl script that leafs through my mailbox sending replies is dumb and can't spot this and therefore replies to them. I do not believe that it is job of the votetaker to spot deliberately invalid mail addresses and hand-cruft replies to them, if you are mailing in a vote - remove your spamblock. Mentioning spamblocks, I hope that the system I have used above will stop "harvesters" getting this vote -if anyone has UCE that they think has come from this posting, mail me at my personal address (iain.bowen@harlech) and I'll revise the idea. Oh yes, MIME mail, having upgraded my mailer recently - I didn't have too much problem with the many people who seem to insist on sending their mail quoted/unreadable and I even managed to get around the gentleman whose headers proudly announced that it was a Japanese encoded mail, however I did not enjoy the multipart/alternative mail one little bit - HTML is for the fscking Web not mail or News. Btw, MIME fiends are warned, if I can't read it easily using my mailer or less, it don't get counted. My apologies for the delay. I decided to do all this by hand rather than rewriting the Perl and it took longer that I thought. My new job is also a little knackering and I appear to have started a relationship - my timing is, as you can all see, impeccable. -- Iain D. Bowen - Volunteer Votetaker, UK-VOTING. voting(at)harlech.demon.co.uk please use alaric(at)harlech.demon.co.uk for personal mail. UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk/ukvoting.htm