From: Iain Bowen Subject: RESULT: Cars | Vehicles | Transport Hierarchy Date: 1996/09/23 Message-ID: x-nntp-posting-host: illuin.demon.co.uk sender: Richard Letts followup-to: uk.net.news.config reply-to: control@usenet.org.uk newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.transport,uk.transport.ride-sharing,uk.rec.cars.classic,uk.rec.motorcycles,uk.rec.cycling,uk.rec.waterways,uk.railway Summary: uk.rec.cars.* PASSES 34:31:9 uk.rec.cars.makers FAILS 34:25 Note from Control: barring any dissent over the voting process the outstanding uk.rec.car groups will be created in one week: uk.rec.cars.vw.aircooled uk.rec.cars.sport.tvr Richard. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT Vehicles and Transport Groups in the UK Hierarchy Voting closed 23:59:59 GMT, 20th September 1996. This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting. Further information on UK-VOTING can be found at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk For voting questions only contact voting@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen). For questions about the new hierarchy contact the proposer at the address given below: Claire Speed (c.speed@mcc.ac.uk) Kevin Rolph (kevin@primag.co.uk) Charles Lindsey (chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk) Tone (tone@antb.demon.co.uk) Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.transport, uk.transport.ride-sharing, uk.rec.cars.classic, uk.rec.motorcycles, uk.rec.cycling, uk.rec.waterways, uk.railway Summary: uk.rec.cars.* PASSES 34:31:9 uk.rec.cars.makers FAILS 34:25 Rationale: There are currently some vehicle based groups which exist under uk.rec.* namely: uk.rec.cars.classic uk.rec.motorcycles There are some transport groups currently in the uk.transport hierarchy namely: uk.transport uk.transport.ride-sharing There exists a group from the old ways of the uk.* hierarchy which does not as yet have a new home: uk.railway There are also proposals going on at the moment for some more car based groups under uk.rec.cars.* and for some aviation groups (also under uk.rec.*) and also for a learner driver group (under uk.transport) but as there is no clear policy on where they should live they can all choose on an individual basis. This means that the discussion of whether there should be a designated hierarchy and which it should be has arisen more than once. The intention of this proposal is for the future of the transport and vehicle hierarchies to be agreed across the board in preparation for all new proposals. CHARTER: Framework for uk.rec.cars.* For the discussion of the technicalities and usage of cars within the UK. Although such usage will mostly be of a recreational nature, discussion of non-recreational usage is not forbidden. Groups may exist under this hierarchy for different types of car (classic, sports, etc.) and for different activities involving cars (maintenance, etc.) 1. [ and for different makes or models.] OR 2. [. Groups for the discussion of specific makes or models, however, should be formed under the sub-hierarchy uk.rec.cars.makers.*.] Note that motorcycles should be discussed under uk.rec.motorcycles, rallying, hill climbing and the like should be discussed under uk.rec.motorsport.*, and commercial operations and matters of transport policy should be discussed under uk.transport.*. END CHARTER. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- FIRST COUNT (Quota = 38) uk.rec.cars 34 uk.vehicles.cars 31 uk.transport.cars 9 ELIMINATED SECOND COUNT (Elimination of uk.transport.cars) (quota remains 38) uk.rec.cars 34 + 5 39 ELECTED uk.vehicles.cars 31 + 4 35 Non-Transferable 0 The cars.makers hierarchy FAILS 34:25 failing to gain a majority of 12 for the new hierarchy. - --------------------------------------------------------------------------- FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The following list of addresses is copyright 1996 by the Revolutionary Penguin Press(1985). Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is prohibited. - -------------------------------------------------------------------------- uk.transport.cars.* ----------------------------------------------- | uk.vehicles.cars.* ------------------------------------------- | | | uk.rec.cars.* ------------------------------------------- | | | | | v v v a.frame@euro.apple.com Alan W Frame 1 - - N A.Stevenson@lancaster.ac.uk Andrew Stephenson 3 1 2 Y ahenry@dircon.co.uk Andrew Henry - 1 2 Y Alasdair@dram.demon.co.uk Alasdair Baxter - 1 2 N alien@alien8.demon.co.uk "alien" 1 - 2 Y andrew@aghl.demon.co.uk Andrew G.H. Love 3 1 2 Y antispam@horizon.co.uk Richard Ashton 3 1 2 N arwel@cartref.demon.co.uk Arwel Parry 1 2 3 Y B.Robertson@lancs.ac.uk Bill Robertson 2 1 3 - Bakitchen@aol.com Barry Kitchen 3 1 2 N buckley_michael@isus.emc.com Michael Buckley 3 1 2 N chl@clw.cs.man.ac.uk Charles Lindsey 1 2 3 Y chris@waverider.co.uk Chris Ward - 1 2 N christopher@uffa.demon.co.uk Christopher Watkins 1 2 3 N Claire.Speed@mailhost.mcc.ac.uk Claire Speed 3 1 2 - david@election.demon.co.uk David Boothroyd - 1 2 N davidjw@argonet.co.uk D J Warner 2 3 1 Y dmarsh@spuddy.mew.co.uk David Marsh 1 - 2 - dylan@islandnet.com Dylan Littlewood 2 3 1 Y Ftodd@netcomuk.co.uk Frank Todd 1 - - N gdmr@dcs.ed.ac.uk George Ross 3 1 2 - ged@gmartin.demon.co.uk Ged Martin 1 - - - gt@geetee.keme.co.uk Geoff Toon - 1 - - ian@binny.demon.co.uk Ian Vincent 1 - - - ianmay@bgarden.demon.co.uk Ian May 2 - 1 Y idaniel@jesus.ox.ac.uk Illtud Daniel 1 - - N kevin@primag.co.uk Kevin Rolph - 2 1 N ki11@cityscape.co.uk Chris Wright 3 2 1 Y J.Hanna@ulst.ac.uk Jim Hanna 1 2 3 Y james@frutiger.staffs.ac.uk James Berriman 2 1 3 N jeremy@beaver-valley.co.uk Jeremy Tinkler 2 1 3 Y Leroy@baram.demon.co.uk Leroy Curtis 1 - 2 Y m.gilbert@ucl.ac.uk Martin Gilbert 2 1 3 - m.harrison@zetnet.co.uk Michael A Harrison 2 3 1 Y mapbs@csv.warwick.ac.uk Rolf Mantel 1 - 2 - marmoset@bombsite.demon.co.uk Patrick Evans 1 - 2 - mcpheat@phys.strath.ac.uk Robert McPheat 1 3 2 - michael@cavrdg.demon.co.uk Michael Parry - 1 2 Y Mike.C.Connally@cdc.com Mike Connally 2 1 3 N mike@mikecat.demon.co.uk Mike Cattell 2 1 - Y Mike@tauzero.demon.co.uk Mike Fleming 1 2 3 - mograces@mkurrein.co.uk Martin Kurrein 1 3 2 N ncliffe@hfnet.bt.co.uk Nigel Cliffe 2 1 3 Y nickm@discover.co.uk Nick Meredith 3 1 2 N nigel@ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton 1 - 2 Y pb10003@cam.ac.uk Paul Bolchover 1 2 - Y Pete@ironwrks.demon.co.uk Peter Byrne 2 1 - N peter@iceland.demon.co.uk Peter Ingason - 1 2 Y phrgv@csv.warwick.ac.uk Tim Naylor 3 2 1 Y pjh1@leicester.ac.uk Pete Humble 1 - 2 Y prar@vossnet.co.uk Rennie Prar 2 1 - Y r.chapman@zetnet.co.uk Roger Chapman 2 3 1 N rparker@mistral.co.uk Roy Parker 1 3 2 N richard@illuin.demon.co.uk Richard Letts 1 - - N richard@stonix.demon.co.uk Richard Lamont 1 - 2 N richard@turnpike.com Richard Clayton 1 2 3 N Richard@challrj.demon.co.uk Richard John Challis 1 - 2 Y rod@ellery.demon.co.uk Rod Ellery 1 2 3 Y rogerb@eiffel.demon.co.uk Roger Browne 3 1 2 - simon@star-one.org.uk Simon Gray 1 2 - Y slewin@zetnet.co.uk Steve Lewin 1 3 2 N smiker@dircon.co.uk Mike Rumboll 2 1 - Y steelej@syntegra.bt.co.uk John Steele 1 2 3 Y stephen@congress.demon.co.uk Stephen Allcroft 1 2 3 Y steve.hunt@persimmon.com Steve Hunt 2 1 3 Y swfb@bokop.win-uk.net S.W.F. Borthwick 1 3 2 Y tcrnapt@ucl.ac.uk Adrian Tribe 3 2 1 N telecom@dircon.co.uk Steve Ellwood 2 1 3 Y tfl@psp.co.uk Thomas Lee 3 1 2 Y tim@cre.canon.co.uk Tim O'Donaghue 1 - 2 Y timheaps@sirisol.demon.co.uk Tim Heaps 2 1 3 Y tms@ansa.co.uk Toby Speight - 1 2 N tone@antb.demon.co.uk A K Bournes 1 - 2 N trevor@tdennis.demon.co.uk Trevor Dennis 1 - - - Votes in Error - -------------- edubs@dmu.co.uk Sender: disagrees with From: No name given Ack bounced (no such domain) Kevin@dial.pipex.com Kevin Lee Ack bounced (no such address) rah94@aber.ac.uk No name given VOTETAKERS NOTES If you are going to use a nom-de-plume, then I will check against DejaNews and if you ain't there, it doesn't count. Also, far too many people sent the whole CFV back rather than the ballot - please, please don't do this (and if anyone can think of some body text that stops people doing it, I'd be grateful). Iain would like to acknowledge his friends tr and awk who helped make this a lot easier. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6.2i iQCVAwUBMkVuzkJsJ6V0lh4dAQFWngQA1o9cKzag6cxnXfkL8XS5Ei/LJfyiEDJ4 VKDvwFpfsDOmRSeNWbqoyBaKeB/PrA0fy2ELr3HbkGEuTZn/gvIebHWWl7ygwECP 6Rk29jvPTLrtFQZ9SAY1cQgVfyiGuEL7IMS1LFpwITYDCtT6GM/AVcbLyVkSon9s gT9FJgsvEPw= =QRqu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Iain D. Bowen - Volunteer Votetaker, UK-VOTING. voting@harlech.demon.co.uk please use alaric@harlech.demon.co.uk for personal mail. UK-VOTING web pages are at http:\\www.harlech.demon.co.uk\ukvoting.htm