Path: oaktree.co.uk!psiuk-f4!psiuk-p4!uknet!newspeer.clara.net!news.clara.net!news-x.support.nl!bullseye.news.demon.net!demon!news.demon.co.uk!demon!mail2news.demon.co.uk!not-for-mail From: alan@whirlnet.co.uk (Alan Ford) Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.local.london Subject: RESULTS: Changes to uk.local.london Charter and Create .info Group: BOTH PASS Followup-To: uk.net.news.config Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2000 12:23:32 GMT Sender: control@clw.cs.man.ac.uk (Charles Lindsey) Approved: Charles Lindsey acting as control Message-ID: X-Trace: mail2news.demon.co.uk 950110475 mail2news:19600 mail2news mail2news.demon.co.uk X-Complaints-To: abuse@demon.net X-Mail2News-Path: news.demon.net!probity.mcc.ac.uk!nessie.mcc.ac.uk!clw.cs.man.ac.uk Lines: 257 Xref: oaktree.co.uk uk.net.news.announce:1666 uk.net.news.config:82872 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES Changes to uk.local.london: Change charter of uk.local.london PASSES 24:8:7 Create uk.local.london.info PASSES 25:9:5 - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting began Friday 14 January 2000 Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Friday 4 February 2000 Proponent: Barry Salter Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.co.uk (Alan Ford) - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- DISTRIBUTION: These results have been posted to: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.local.london - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VOTING SUMMARY: The Rationale, Summary of Discussion, and Proposal follow the main results for informational purposes. CREATE uk.local.london.info -----------\ CHANGE CHARTER uk.local.london ----\ | | | YES 24 25 NO 8 9 ABSTAIN 7 5 TOTAL 39 39 YES MAJORITY 16 16 There were a total of 39 valid votes, and no invalid votes. For both proposals the YES vote beat the NO vote by the required majority of 12, so both proposals pass. There will be a five day discussion period after these results have been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations of irregularities to be raised. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- VOTETAKER'S COMMENTS: Not an excessive amount of interest in this vote, but the result seems pretty decisive. The vote iteself passed off without incident, and once again everybody (IIRC) provided valid ballot papers first time! - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- THE RESULTS IN FULL: Total: 39 votes Create uk.local.london.info ------\ Change Charter of uk.local.london --\ | | | Aakash Mehendale aakash@popaccount@OCm N N Alan Fleming af@contract@OC@KU Y Y Alex Holden votes@alexh@clara@OC@KU Y Y Andrew Smith andrew@smithh@usa@net Y Y Andy Mabbett andy@pigsonthewing@demon@OC@KU A A Andy Roberts andyrobts@zetnet@OC@KU N A astral alice alice@darkwave@org@KU Y Y Barry Salter ukvotes@salterg@demon@OC@KU Y Y Bill bill@billybubbles@demon@OC@KU Y Y Brymor bryan@brymor@freeserve@OC@KU N N dave d voting001@stejonda@demon@OC@KU Y Y David Wood david@wood2@org@KU Y Y DerekK derek@knight@bigfoot@OCm Y Y dmahon dmahon@amigo@demon@OC@KU Y Y Iain iain@deepsea@force9@OC@KU Y Y Ian Kitching systimk@bridge@anglia@ac@KU Y Y Jeffrey Goldberg J@Goldberg@Cranfield@ac@KU A A Jim Ley Jim@jibbering@OCm Y Y Joe Higman Joe@higco@freeserve@OC@KU N N Jon Thomson jon@thomson2273@freeserve@OC@KU A Y Kat katrina@st@cwcom@net A Y Leo Vegoda leo@vegoda@org A Y Paul Paul-u@xebon@clara@OC@KU Y Y Paul Leake P@J@Leake@durham@ac@KU A A Philip Hunt phil@comuno@OCm Y Y Philip Powell philip@blencathra@demon@OC@KU Y Y {R} {R}@semolina@org Y Y Rex M F Smith sumisu@gehena@demon@OC@KU N N Rogi rogi@indigo@ie Y Y simon gray simon@star-one@org@KU A A Sky Rider ODPS@CyberScriber@OCm Y Y Steve Peake puppet@dial@pipex@OCm Y Y Terry Lange tlange@prodigy@net Y Y Tim Walls tim@snowgoons@fsnet@OC@KU N N tiny clipper@dircon@OC@KU Y N tobias erle vote-uk@kholdan@snafu@de Y N Tom Heathcote TomHeathcote@email@OCm Y Y Tony Walton tony@walton@sun@OC@KU N N Tristan White Tristan_White@rocketmail@OCm N N - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPONENT'S RATIONALE: In recent months, uk.local.london has become somewhat unwieldy due to the high volume of off-topic "chat" which is being posted. It is proposed to recharter uk.local.london specifically for this "chatting" and create uk.local.london.info for, and I quote from the existing charter for uk.local.london, "requesting and disseminating information regarding living in, or visiting, London." - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPONENT'S SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION: Whilst the majority of posters have expressed support for the proposal, a significant minority have expressed displeasure at it, including one poster who supported the 2nd RFD, but then disagreed with the 3rd despite it merely being a rearrangement of the originally proposed charters. It is for this reason that I am requesting a vote rather than attempting a FAST TRACK. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSALS: NEWSGROUPS LINES: uk.local.london London, the capital city of the United Kingdom uk.local.london.info Information about living in, or visiting, London NEW CHARTER: uk.local.london This group is for general chat with London, England as a focus. ADVERTISING Advertising is forbidden. CROSS-POSTING Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to London"). BINARIES & FORMATTING Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, word processor files, Zip files, "business cards", etc.), are *forbidden*, with the exception of cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or FTP site, to which a pointer may be posted. Posts must be readable as plaintext and only mock-HTML format marks to denote emotion (e.g. ..), if any, should be used. Posts duplicating their text content as fully marked up HTML, or only the latter, should not be made. Posters are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at for further information on how to configure newsreaders to post to uk.* newsgroups. END CHARTER. CHARTER FOR NEW NEWSGROUP: uk.local.london.info This group is a forum for requesting and disseminating information regarding living in, or visiting, London. Transport queries should be directed to the companion group uk.transport.london. ADVERTISING Advertising is forbidden, with the following exceptions: Suppliers of goods and services relevant to London may post a pointer to their website or invitation to request details. This may not exceed four lines and may be posted no more often than once every three months. The subject line should begin "ADVERT: ", except for vacancies, which should begin "JOB: ". CROSS-POSTING Messages posted to this newsgroup must not be cross-posted to more than a TOTAL of four uk.local.* newsgroups; these may be geographically adjacent or overlapping, or connected by the subject of the post (e.g. "moving house from Manchester to London"). Note that the advertising of widely-available goods or services is *not* relevant in this context, and that most uk.local.* groups have restrictions on advertising, or prohibit it. Cross-posted adverts, where allowed, must meet the requirements of the charters of *all* groups involved. BINARIES & FORMATTING Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, word processor files, Zip files, "business cards", etc.), are *forbidden*, with the exception of cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP). Such material belongs on a web or FTP site, to which a pointer may be posted. Posts must be readable as plaintext and only mock-HTML format marks to denote emotion (e.g. ..), if any, should be used. Posts duplicating their text content as fully marked up HTML, or only the latter, should not be made. Posters are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at for further information on how to configure newsreaders to post to uk.* newsgroups. END CHARTER. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: PGPfreeware 5.0i for non-commercial use Charset: noconv iQCVAwUBOKFcNWOfGXkh8vHZAQEoYwP+MgO7B0gkOcU46Amn+vSA5THJU6yPTm/5 IcB6z+UCM96mxT+hCd95Ua40WCJTLHZE+C2uP+9+/t4NDo4v4iH02U9XbsnlE9FF vwMI0I/JD1x73qUDso2lg6yjwKsUashNeT6Bo3UDvUW1YWMDCHQd9/ZpGdUPX4Kr DflUgc9xg/o= =dj3B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- Alan Ford UKVoting Votetaker