RESULT: uk.rec.motorsport.misc passes 52:2 Author: Mark Alexander Email: voting@alexr.demon.co.uk Date: 1995/10/17 Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, rec.autos.sport.misc Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULT unmoderated group uk.rec.motorsport.misc passes 52:2 Voting for this CFV closed 23:59:59 UTC(GMT), 15 October 1995 This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Mark Alexander For questions about the proposal itself contact Bill Melotti or John Upham SUMMARY uk.rec.motorsport.misc passes 52 yes : 2 no There were 9 (Nine) Invalid Votes For group passage, YES votes must be a majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 12 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group will be created shortly thereafter. DISTRIBUTION This RESULT has been cross posted to: uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config rec.autos.sport.misc CHARTER Name The proposed new name for the group is 'uk.rec.motorsport.misc' Topics This new group wil be for the discussion of any aspect of motorsports in the UK, or peculiar to the UK, on either two or four (or even three ?) wheels. Primarily topics should be those applicable to involvement/participation in UK Motorsports. Although discussion would be allowed on World Championship issues (eg F1/WRC) these should really take place on a world wide group eg rec.auto.sport.f1., unless it is the UK round in question. (eg British Grand Prix) Language The language of the newsgroup will be English Advertising Some advertising postings will be allowed, provided they are related to motorsports and not just general car/bike interest, kept to a minimum length and subject to these additional qualifications:- - Any announcement from a non-profit organisation is allowed - Any announcement from a motor club, motoring organisation, RACMSA, motorsports venues is allowed - Announcements from commercial organisations (only those in the motorsports industry), such as changes of premises, new service or facility are allowed. - Follow ups to postings requesting information, are allowed from any organisation provided it is motorsport related. - For sale/wanted adverts are restricted to competition cars or parts, or people eg 'Mechanic needed for weekend of....'. Motor clubs are kindly requested not to post 'Marshals needed...' type postings, but to limit the posting to an announcement of the event (mentioning marshal requirements), because marshals are *always* needed. The only exception here is if there is a particularly urgent need for trained or otherwise specialised marshals. eg radio, firefighting, first aid. Anything not fitting these criteria and repeated unsolicited 'information' postings of essentially the same content are not allowed. Binaries Binaries are not allowed. Anybody wishing to post publically a binary (for instance a photograph) should post it to a recognised newsgroup for binaries and post a pointer to it within uk.rec.motorsport.misc Moderator This group would be unmoderated Summary Discussion and news regarding UK Motorsports, primarily from those involved RATIONALE We and many others on the net in the UK have an active interest in motorsport and see a need for a forum to discuss issues relating to motorsport, a place for annoucements, reports and other general discussions on UK motorsport. Motorsports in the UK are diverse and a UK newsgroup would provide this forum, which we don't believe is currently met by other newsgroups or mailing lists. There are two mailing lists known to us. The UK road_rally list only hosts about 30 people and traffic is low. The RALLY-L hosts many more, but then suffers (IOHO) with the basic disadvantage of a mailing list: You get everything even if you don't want it. The only suitable newsgroup hierarchy we know of is the rec.autos.sport.* The discussion on here tends to be more World/US oriented. This is demonstrated simply by the names on of some of the sub-groups. John Uphams rallying WWW pages have shown by the demand on them that there is considerable net interest in just this form of motorsport in the UK, yet many of us do not feel disposed to post. A quick look at these appeared to suggest that only (roughly) 1 in 10 to 1 in 20 posts seem to eminate from somewhere other than the states (based on the assumtion that 3 letter domains are USA domains) The following is a quick count of postings shown on one server (news.rl.ac.uk) and shown are total postings/non-USA/UK rec.auto.sport.info 15/6/2 .tech 10/0/0 .misc 12/0/0 .f1 32/6/4 (I only counted 32 most recent) .nascar (sorry couldn't be bothered to count) .indy (ditto) As can be seen by the names only the first four come close to providing a discussion area for UK motorsports and these carry few postings. We do not believe this represents the interest in motorsport in the UK of people with internet access. We believe there is basically nowhere suitable for them to post. Nowhere is there an area to discuss: UK rallying (stage, road, classic and historic) Scattering Autotesting Karting Trailling (including PCTs) Hillclimb/Sprint Racing (other than F1, which we believe should in most cases remain under rec.autos anyway) Classic/Veteran runs We therefore believe the need for just one group under which all of these can be discussed is easily justified for the moment. What we do not believe is that several groups need to be created. However we suspect that in time they will be needed, hence the desire to create the structure for that now, with the implementation of a .misc group. FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The following list of addresses is copyright 1995 by the AlexR Partnership. Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is prohibited. Final Vote Ack -------------- 1) Voted YES (Total 52) ----------------------- Alan Wakeman [YES] Andrew Errington [YES] Andrew Henry [YES] Andrew Juniper [YES] Andy Harvey [YES] Barry Johnson [YES] Bill Melotti [YES] Caroline Mac Intyre [YES] Chris Ames [YES] Christine Castell [YES] Clive Grounds [YES] Colin Cockerill [YES] Colin Wilson <100350.3476@compuserve.com> [YES] Darren Galpin [YES] Dave Budd [YES] Dave Crook [YES] Dave McKinlay [YES] David Alan Nelson [YES] David Crooke [YES] David James [YES] Diane DiBerardino [YES] DUNCAN FORRESTER [YES] Fred Mitchell [YES] Iain P Whitehead [YES] Ian J Deeley [YES] Jeremy Rodgers [YES] Jim Norton [YES] John Dowson [YES] John Hayden [YES] John Upham [YES] Joseph Macon Wesley McGlohen [YES] Lubin Poulton [YES] Marc E. Goldfarb [YES] Mark Smith [YES] Martin Berry [YES] Matt Kelland [YES] MICHAEL SIGGINS [YES] Pete Meloy [YES] Peter Harrison [YES] Peter Robson [YES] Quaintance, Vernon [YES] Richard J. Peaker [YES] Simon Davey [YES] Simon Mitchell [YES] Sivanendra Selvanayagam [YES] Stephen M Baines [YES] Steve Lewin [YES] Stewart Mac Intyre [YES] Tim Chesnutt [YES] Tony Michael [YES] Wayne Covington [YES] William Turner [YES] 2) Voted NO (Total 2) --------------------- Alan Fleming [NO ] Mark D Jilson [NO ] 3) INVALID VOTES (Total of 9) ----------------------------- 3a) Voted on DRAFT CFV (3) -------------------------- J.M.Dunsdon@soton.ac.uk [VOTED ON DRAFT CFV] Ken Clark [VOTED ON DRAFT CFV] Roger Davidson [VOTED ON DRAFT CFV] 3b) No Vote Statement in Message or Incomplete Ballot (4) --------------------------------------------------------- Rob Wagner <76622.1606@compuserve.com> [NO VOTE] Peter Burch [NO VOTE] Tony Rawlings [INCOMPLETE BALLOT] Philip Rennie [INCOMPLETE BALLOT] 3c) Vote by an Organisation rather than a person (1) ---------------------------------------------------- RUMC [NOT A PERSON] 3d) Voted for group not in CFV (1) ---------------------------------- Dave White [VOTED FOR motorsport.uk] -- Mark Alexander, Volunteer Votetaker, UK-VOTING -- Mark Alexander (Home: mark@alexr.demon.co.uk, Work: mark@lewisham.demon.co.uk) MM-RECIPES List Owner, for details on how to subscribe send help (in the body of the message) to listserver@alexr.demon.co.uk