RESULT: uk.announce/events reorganisation - MIXED RESULTS Author: Iain D. Bowen Email: voting@harlech.demon.co.uk Date: 1995/11/09 Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, uk.announce, uk.events Message-ID: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULT Moderation of uk.announce Moderation of uk.events Creation of associated discussion groups Voting for this CFV closed 23:59:59 UTC(GMT), 1 November 1995 This vote was conducted by a neutral third party. For voting questions only contact Iain Bowen For questions about the proposal itself contact Charles Lindsey . SUMMARY Moderation of uk.announce PASSES 132 : 12 Renaming of uk.announce to uk.announce.misc FAILS 57 : 66 uk.events AV vote MODERATED (see below) uk.events.renaming to uk.announce.events PASSES 90 : 36 Principle of Creation of a discussion group PASSES 121 : 19 Separate or single Discussion Group(s) SEPARATE 58 : 57 For group passage, YES votes must be a majority of all valid (YES and NO) votes. There also must be at least 12 more YES votes than NO votes. There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted. If no serious allegations of voting irregularities are raised, the group will be created shortly thereafter. RATIONALE uk.announce and uk.events contain an excessive amount of inappropriate traffic. This traffic includes scams, spam, discussion, and flames. This devalues these groups. The way forward is to impose moderation. Discussion of announcements may continue in an unmoderated group provided for this purpose. In proposing moderation, we also aim to clarify the purpose of these groups. The attached charter is essentially that proposed in the RFD, except for some clarification of the section on Commercial Postings, and an emphasis on the right of the moderator to divert articles to the more appropriate of the two groups. As requested during the RFD stage, the opportunity has been provided to choose between Moderating uk.announce or not Moderating/Removing/Leaving-asis uk.events Renaming them as uk.announce.[events,misc] Creating a separate discussion group(s) (or leaving discussions to uk.misc), and having separate discussion group for announce and events, or having just the one. Note that the following charter will be modified in the obvious manner according to which options are actually accepted in the vote. Passages within [...] indicate the main sections subject to change for this reason. CHARTERS uk.announce[.misc] is a moderated group for announcing news of specific interest to the UK readership. uk[.announce].events is a moderated group for announcing UK events. They provide a means of posting announcements to a wider audience than the readership of the newsgroups in which their subjects would naturally place them. These groups are moderated by a single moderator or team [who may determine which of the two groups is more appropriate for any particular article]. [Corresponding unmoderated .d subgroups provide for discussion of announcements. All announcements are crossposted to the discussion group for those who prefer to see everything within a single group.] The moderator is human, although the moderator is allowed to use software to automatically filter obviously violating posts. The moderator may act to confirm the identity of the poster before posting. All posts must include the poster's address, although this may be anonymous. Posts are accepted as a general rule. The following classifications of posts will almost certainly be rejected, subject in all cases to the moderators discretion: o Follow-ups, except for the original poster repairing a factual error. o Posts not specifically relevant to the UK. o Questions. [ But clear questions are acceptable in uk[.announce].events ] o Commercial advertisements. See notes below. o Classified advertisements. o Posts exceeding 4kbytes in total length. o Reviews (these are the poster's opinion, not information). o Scams, Spam, Velveeta (excessive crossposting), and Flames. o Posts repeated within 3 months. o Badly formatted posts that the moderator decides not to clean up. Posts must be in English unless a translation is supplied AND the moderator is in a position to verify the accuracy of the translation. The moderator may alter header lines as appropriate and clean up the formatting of text (e.g. lines in excess of 80 characters), and insert clearly identified comments in square brackets at the start of the post. No other changes are allowed. [The moderator will set the Followup-To line to point to the [appropriate] discussion group, unless the poster specifies an alternative group. In the latter case the follow-up group should be noted in the body of the post.] Rejected posts are returned with a copy of this charter, and a note of explanation from the moderator. Items are posted as soon as workload allows, but a latency of 2 working days should be allowed for when submitting items. NOTE re COMMERCIAL POSTINGS. There is no particular objection to commercial announcements provided they are relevant, concise, and are in the style of a "Press Release" rather than in the exaggerated style of an "advertisement". The balance between information and hype is the major factor. The final decision rests with the moderator. Any invitation to send money must specify precisely the goods or services to be supplied. MODERATORS There will be a team of moderators, one of whom will be the primary moderator with the others acting as backups in the event of the primary moderator being absent. The role of primary moderator may rotate around the team members. Posting to the moderated newsgroups in the usual way will result in the post being emailed to the moderator. The proposed moderators are: Alan Glover / , Brian McCauley , Les Carleton . ONE-LINERS uk.announce General announcements of UK interest (Moderated) uk.announce.d Discussion of articles in uk.announce uk.announce.events Forthcoming events within the UK (Moderated) uk.announce.events.d Discussion of articles in uk.events uk.events AV vote First Count Moderation 111 - PASSES QUOTA Removal 21 No Change 11 FINAL VOTING ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS The following list of addresses is copyright 1995 by the Revolutionary Penguin Press(1985). Use for any purpose other than verifying the vote for this newsgroup is prohibited. Final Vote Ack -------------- Separate (A) or single (B) discussion groups ------------------------------- Creation of discussion groups ---------------------------------------- | | Renaming of uk.events to uk.announce.events ------------------------- | | AV vote on uk.events (moderate, remove, no change) -------------- | | | Renaming of uk.announce to uk.announce,misc ---------------- | | | | Moderation of uk.announce ----------------------------- | | | | | | | | | | | v v v v v v 70374.3073@compuserve.com Chris J. 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