26 Sep 1997: uk.misc.questions
REVISED RESULT: create of uk.misc.questions
Author: Iain Bowen
Email: voting@harlech.demon.co.uk
Date: 1997/09/26
Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, uk.education.misc, uk.misc, uk.politics.misc
Message-ID: <result-uk.misc.questions-970926-180322@usenet.org.uk>
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ADJUSTED RESULT
Creation of uk.misc.questions
Voting closed 23:59:59, Thursday 28th August 1997
This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UK-VOTING.
UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFV's in
the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote was taken are posted
regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting. Further
information on UK-VOTING can be found at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk
For voting questions only contact voting@harlech.demon.co.uk (Iain Bowen).
For questions about the new groups contact the proposer
at the address given below:
For questions about the proposed new group contact: simon@star-one.org.uk (Simon Gray)
WHY THE RESULT HAS CHANGED (or why your votetaker is a dork):
Mail for voting is processed by a number of scripts, these mainly deal with
the easy votes and leave the rest in the voting mailbox to be dealt with
manually. In order to deal with them manually, I log in as voting. In this
case, I decided to do some replies whilst telnetting in from "my" work
portable using an Xclient. The aforesaid Xclient is not usually used for
voting and I've never really bothered to set up the startup scripts for it,
as a result, my .profile did not run on login were not run and a number of
environment variables did not change. As a result, the votes were saved to
$HOME rather than to the usual processing directory.
As I was in a bit of a rush to get this one out before going away on a business
thang, I took the file of accepted votes into work on a floppy and processsed
in my copious free time at work. This obviously didn't include the votes that
had gone to $HOME.
As a result of this, a number of people who had voted contacted me in order
to tell me that they had received acknowledgements for the ballot and their
vote was not counted. I would like to thank them for this and apologise for
the delay in replying to them caused by my absence from the United Kingdom. I
knew I should have tried for a telnet from that web terminal in the leather
bar :-).
Six votes were affected by this - not all of these have been changed as
one person also voted from the Second CFV (which would replace this earlier
ballot) and another vote was identical to a previous vote from that account.
DISTRIBUTION:
This CFV has been posted to the following newsgroups:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.education.misc,
uk.misc, uk.politics.misc
Summary:
uk.misc.query+answers A group for receiving answers to questions !
CHARTER: uk.misc.questions
The purpose of this newsgroup is to provide general information,
providing a place/service where people can get help with studies
including 'home-work' and where they can help each other to
learn....
This will be a group where any who can help others will drop
in and encourage those with 'problems' to think those problems
through under guidance.
The group will have no age bars.
Note, however, that certain questions might be better asked
in group that already exists specifically for a given topic -
before posting such a question, please consider carefully if
this is so in your case.
The group will be particularly directed at helping with questions,
to which you are finding it difficult to obtain useful and
clear answers.
The maximum help will be given to those who describe the work
they've already done trying to solve problems and research on
their own. Little, if any help will be given to those who do
not exhibit any signs at all of intending to help themselves!
If you need help in understanding how to set about finding out,
that help will also be given where resources are available.
The group will not be chatter or gossip oriented, unless the
chatter is illustrative of solutions to 'problems'.
As with all contacts on the net, you are advised to exert
considerable caution.
Crossposting:
Excessive crossposting is inappropriate. Crossposting to other
groups MUST be on-topic for those groups. Crossposting to more
than a total of 1 or 2 groups will be strongly discouraged.
FAQ:
A FAQ will be developed; with particular attention to a directory
of other groups, found helpful in answering questions, in
defined categories.
Advertising:
Advertising is forbidden
Binaries:
Binaries are not permitted, but directions as to where relevant
binaries may be found are welcomed.
The counts
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FIRST COUNT (QUOTA=29)
uk.education.self-help 12
uk.misc.questions 10
uk.misc.query+answer 9
uk.learning.general 6 ELIMINATED
No group 19
At this point the group passes its non-creation hurdle by having a surplus of
12 votes for all the first preferences over the votes for no group. It can
however still not be created due to transfers.
SECOND COUNT Non-transferable: 0 (QUOTA=29)
uk.education.self-help 12 + 3 = 15
uk.misc.questions 10 + 1 = 11
uk.misc.query+answer 9 + 1 = 10 ELIMINATED
No group 19 + 1 = 20
THIRD COUNT Non-transferable: 2 (QUOTA=28)
uk.education.self-help 15 + 1 = 16 ELIMINATED
uk.misc.questions 11 + 7 = 18
No group 20 + 0 = 20
FOURTH COUNT Non-transferable: 5 (QUOTA=25)
uk.misc.questions 18 + 8 = 26 ELECTED
No Group 20 + 3 = 23
The name of the group shall be uk.misc.questions.
The Votes
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No group ----------------------------------------------------------------
uk.learning.general ------------------------------------------------ |
uk.misc.query+answer ------------------------------------------ | |
uk.misc.questions ---------------------------------------- | | |
uk.education.self-help ----------------------------- | | | |
| | | | |
v v v v v
{R}(at)nospam.demon.co.uk Richard Ashton 4 2 3 5 1
abelard(at)abelard.demon.co.uk "abelard" 2 1
alan(at)nurdglaw.demon.co.uk Alan Grunwald 2 1
alan(at)the-one.demon.co.uk Alan Scobbie 1
alex(at)fairfield.demon.co.uk Alex Ray 1 3 2 4
andi(at)amcarey.demon.co.uk Andi Carey 4 1 3 2 5
angus(at)gulliver1.demon.co.uk Angus Gulliver 1 3 4 2
andrewm(at)chiark.greenend.org.uk
Andrew Mobbs 2 1 4 5 3
aw1(at)stade.co.uk Adrian Wontroba 1 4 3 2 5
bajones(at)larkhill.win-uk.net Brian Jones 1
bellaire(at)iquest.net James Bellaire 3 4 5 1 2
bill(at)xencat.demon.co.uk William Boughton 1 3 2
BridgesM(at)logica.com Martin Bridges 2 3 1
ceerab(at)cee.hw.ac.uk Rod Begbie 1 2 3
chasm(at)ccl4.org James Lawson 2 1
chl(at)clw.cs.man.ac.uk Charles Lindsey 3 2 1 5 4
cudce(at)csv.warwick.ac.uk Jon Harley 2 1 3
Claire.Speed(at)mailhost.mcc.ac.uk
Claire Speed 1
dave(at)clues.com Dave Williams 3 2 1
david(at)bloor.demon.co.uk David Bloor 1 3 2 4 5
david(at)election.demon.co.uk David Boothroyd 2 1 4 3 5
duncan(at)dewar.softnet.co.uk Duncan Dewar 4 1 2 3 5
dweller(at)ramtops.demon.co.uk Doug Weller 2 1
ellen(at)tictac.demon.co.uk Ellen Mizzell 1
george(at)zingaro.demon.co.uk George Flinter 5 2 3 4 1
gp(at)mamba.demon.co.uk Gavin Lawson 1
iain(at)hotch.demon.co.uk Iain Hotchkies 4 2 1 3
idaniel(at)jesus.ox.ac.uk Illtud Daniel 1
keith(at)cowtown.demon.co.uk Keith Willougby 2 1 3
j(at)jbark.demon.co.uk Jeremy Barker 2 3 4 1
jesus(at)heaven.co.uk "Jesus" 5 3 4 2 1
jonivar(at)ph.ed.ac.uk Jon Ivar Skullerud 1 3 2
jrs(at)merlyn.demon.co.uk John Stockton 5 2 3 4 1
leo(at)venturer.co.uk "leo" 1 2
marlsch(at)mail.zynet.co.uk Steve Soames 1
maxb(at)maxmax.demon.co.uk Max Bone 1
mayalld(at)postoffice.co.uk Dave Mayall 3 1 2 5 4
merlin(at)netlink.co.uk Darren Rees 1 5 4 2 3
michael(at)unicorn-connection.co.uk
Michael Parry 4 2 1 3 5
mike(at)emgee.demon.co.uk Mike Cavanagh 1
M.A.Brown-4(at)sms.ed.ac.uk Mark Brown 5 2 3 4 1
nigel(at)ashton.demon.co.uk Nigel Ashton 1 4 3 2
octobersdad(at)reporters.net T Bruce Tober 1 3 4 2 5
pb10003(at)cus.cam.ac.uk Paul Bolchover 3 1 2 4 5
peter(at)wppltd.demon.co.uk Peter Parry 1
Phil.Boswell(at)news.codd-date.co.uk
Phil Boswell 5 1 2 4 3
robert.irvine(at)gecm.com Robert Irvine 2 3 4 1 5
robnews(at)nospam.demon.co.uk Rob Alexander 4 2 1 3 5
rcollier(at)atthome.demon.co.uk Richard Collier 3 4 1 2 5
richard(at)illuin.demon.co.uk Richard Letts 1
rpjs(at)kalevala.demon.co.uk Roy Stilling 4 1 2 3
sft(at)aegis1,demon.co.uk Stephen Tonkin 1
simon(at)star-one.org.uk Simon Gray 2 1
S.W.Hopper(at)sussex.ac.uk Simon Hopper 4 2 5 3 1
slewin(at)zetnet.co.uk Steve Lewin 2 1 3
tfl(at)psp.co.uk Thomas Lee 2 3 1
Votes Rejected
djones(at)demon.borve.co.uk Spamblock
Dom(at)i-cubed.co.uk.REMOVE Spamblock
hilde(at)demon.borve.co.uk Spamblock
ncf(at)demon.borve.co.uk Spamblock
Votetakers Comments
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A relatively smooth vote to run, although the level of spamblock was a bit
silly, several people managed to revote after realizing that they had
spamblocked themselves. I am going to have to think about nospam.demon.co.uk
at some point after I have fully grokked the nature of service. I realize that
most spamblocks are easy to resolve, but I either have to resolve them all
or none. The vast majority of people managed to send back a full ballot,
which helped processing no end.
--
Iain D. Bowen - Volunteer Votetaker, UK-VOTING. voting(at)harlech.demon.co.uk
please use alaric(at)harlech.demon.co.uk for personal mail.
UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk/ukvoting.htm
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