21 Dec 1997: uk.people.*.epilepsy & uk.people.*.mult-sclerosis


From: SJF Beckwith <me@steves.org.uk>
Date: 21 Dec 1997 15:30:50 -0000
Subject: RESULT: CFV Creation of Epilepsy and Multiple Sclerosis Newsgroups
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce,uk.people.disability,alt.support.epilepsy,alt.support.mult-sclerosis

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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES

Creation of newsgroups uk.people.*.epilepsy and
uk.people.*.mult-sclerosis

Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 19th December, 1997.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party member of
UK-VOTING. UK-VOTING is a group of independent votetakers who count
votes on CFV's in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is
taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at
the following URL:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting 

For voting questions only contact me@steves.org.uk (SJF Beckwith).

For questions about the proposed new newsgroups contact the proposer
at dferguson@sol.co.uk (Dave Ferguson) 

DISTRIBUTION:
uk.net.news.announce uk.net.news.config uk.people.disability
alt.support.epilepsy alt.support.mult-sclerosis

RESULTS:

	111 valid votes were recieved (Details can be found below).
	3 invalid votes were recieved (Details can be found below).


	Vote 1
	======
	"Both groups" wins by a majority of 90.

	Both		=	96
	None		=	1
	EpOnly		=	1
	MSOnly		=	6
	Abstained	=	7


	Vote 2
	======
	"uk.people.support.*" wins by a majority of 18
	The AV dissemination follows...

	people 		=	38
	disability 	=	8
	health 		=	15
	support 	=	44
	no groups 	=	1

	Eliminate "no groups" and redistribute, gives

	people 		=	38
	disability 	=	8
	health 		=	15
	support 	=	45

	Eliminate "disability" and redistribute, gives

	people 		=	38
	health 		=	19
	support 	=	47

	Eliminate "health" and redistribute, gives

	people 		=	42
	support 	=	60

	Applying the +12 rule, gives

	42 + 12 = 54 < 60, therefore the option uk.people.support.* was
	favoured by more voters.

	Given these results, the following groups should be created with
	their respective charters as ammended.

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NEWSGROUP:
uk.people.support.epilepsy

SUMMARY:
uk.people.support.epilepsy	Epilepsy & treatment in the UK

RATIONALE:
Although there are international groups on this subject the amount of
US based discussion outweighs the UK discussion to the point of
swamping it.

There are also problems with matters such as:
        i) The US refers to weight in pounds while we use stones
        ii) Drugs have different names there and here
        iii) Some US drugs are not licensed in the UK

Therefore the proponent feels that a UK based group for this matter
will be beneficial to the people in the UK who wish to discuss them. 

The creation of this group should not affect the operation of the
existing groups - it is hoped they can run happily in parallel.

CHARTER:
Charter for the unmoderated group uk.people.support.epilepsy

Newsgroup Entry:
uk.people.support.epilepsy	Epilepsy & treatment in the UK

Advertising:     Advertising is forbidden.

Content:         This group is for discussion of the illness epilepsy
                 and surrounding matters.  This includes current
                 treatments in the UK, drugs available through both
                 private and NHS means, symptoms and support
                 mechanisms.

                 Users of the group are expected to behave in a
                 civilized manner and to stay on topic.

Binaries:        Binaries are not permitted at all.  Directions to
                 other sources of binaries (e.g. web pages or ftp
                 sites) are allowed. 

======================================================================

NEWSGROUP:
uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis

SUMMARY:
uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis	Multiple sclerosis & treatment in
the UK

RATIONALE:
Although there are international groups on this subject the amount of
US based discussion outweighs the UK discussion to the point of
swamping it.

There are also problems with matters such as:
        i) The US refers to weight in pounds while we use stones
        ii) Drugs have different names there and here
        iii) Some US drugs are not licensed in the UK

Therefore the proponent feels that a UK based group for this matter
will be beneficial to the people in the UK who wish to discuss them. 

The creation of this group should not affect the operation of the
existing groups - it is hoped they can run happily in parallel.

CHARTER:
Charter for the unmoderated group uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis

Newsgroup Entry:
uk.people.support.mult-sclerosis	Multiple sclerosis & treatment in
the UK

Advertising:     Advertising is forbidden.

Content:         This group is for discussion of the illness multiple
                 sclerosis and surrounding matters.  This includes
                 current treatments in the UK, drugs available through
                 both private and NHS means, symptoms and support
                 mechanisms.

                 Users of the group are expected to behave in a
                 civilized manner and to stay on topic.

Binaries:        Binaries are not permitted at all.  Directions to
                 other sources of binaries (e.g. web pages or ftp
                 sites) are allowed.

======================================================================


Valid Votes

In order to be able to display the results I have given each valid voter
a number, it is located on the extreme left hand side.  To see how each
individual voter voted, please compare this against the number in the
extreme left hand side fo the table that follows it.

#	Name				Email Address
======================================================================
1	A Bournes			tone{'at'}antb.demon.co.u,k
2	Adrian Fletcher		cpag{'at'}globalnet.co.u,k
3	Alan Fleming		af{'at'}contract.co.u,k
4	Alex D Baxter		a.baxter{'at'}ic.ac.u,k
5	Alex Ray			ajtr2{'at'}cam.ac.u,k
6	Allison Linneken	allison{'at'}gwi.ne,t
7	Andi Carey			ukv{'at'}amcarey.demon.co.u,k
8	Andrew C Bray		andy{'at'}chaos.org.u,k
9	Andrew King			andy{'at'}the-barn.demon.co.u,k
10	Andrew Norman		nja{'at'}le.ac.u,k
11	Andy Mabbett		amabbett{'at'}bham-assist.demon.co.u,k
12	Anthony R. Gold		tgold{'at'}panix.co,m
13	Anton Jackson		antonj{'at'}antonj.demon.co.u,k
14	Arwel Parry			arwel{'at'}cartref.demon.co.u,k
15	Barbara Mapes		bmapes1{'at'}earthlink.ne,t
16	C. Newport			crn{'at'}netix.org.u,k
17	Carol				ATeasd5941{'at'}aol.co,m
18	Charles Lindsey		chl{'at'}clw.cs.man.ac.u,k
19	Chris Gilliard		Chris{'at'}gilliard.cix.co.u,k
20	Chris Griffiths		chrisg{'at'}zed-inst.co.u,k
21	Chris M. Dickson	chris{'at'}dickson.demon.co.u,k
22	Claire Speed		c.speed{'at'}mcc.ac.u,k
23	Clemence Schultze	C.E.Schultze{'at'}durham.ac.u,k
24	Clive Martin		Clive{'at'}cmartin.demon.co.u,k
25	Craig A Willmott	craig.willmott{'at'}virgin.ne,t
26	Cy Williams			cydel{'at'}pacbell.ne,t
27	Darren Meldrum		darren_usenet{'at'}meldrum.co.u,k
28	Dave Budd			D.Budd{'at'}mcc.ac.u,k
29	Dave Mayall			david.mayall{'at'}ukonline.co.u,k
30	Dave Roberts		dave{'at'}darob.demon.co.u,k
31	David Damerell		damerell{'at'}chiark.greenend.org.u,k
32	David Ferguson		dferguson{'at'}sol.co.u,k
33	David Robinson		dave{'at'}icepop.demon.co.u,k
34	David Spencer		dave{'at'}dsds.demon.co.u,k
35	Doug Weller			dweller{'at'}ramtops.demon.co.u,k
36	Edward H. Currie	ecurrie{'at'}netcomuk.co.u,k
37	Edward King			eaking{'at'}ulape.demon.co.u,k
38	Emma McMullan		emma{'at'}shape-london.u-net.co,m
39	Ginny Sanchez		ginny{'at'}hicom.ne,t
40	Hellmer Schmidt		hellmer_schmidt{'at'}interconti.co,m
41	Iain Morrison		iain{'at'}envision.demon.co.u,k
42	Iain Rowan			irowan{'at'}netcomuk.co.u,k
43	Ian Peattie			ian{'at'}johnrich.demon.co.u,k
44	J L Williams		j.l.williams{'at'}zetnet.co.u,k
45	James Farrar		james.farrar{'at'}ic.ac.u,k
46	James Kemp			james{'at'}jmkemp.demon.co.u,k
47	James Lawson		chasm{'at'}ccl4.or,g
48	Janet Willims		janet{'at'}hartstreet.demon.co.u,k
49	Jim Hill			jim{'at'}jh-c.demon.co.u,k
50	Joanne Batson		martini{'at'}codenet.ne,t
51	John Morgan			J.Morgan{'at'}btinternet.co,m
52	Kate Grey			sqrg{'at'}sqrg.demon.co.uk
53	Katharine Seagram	beach{'at'}ils.ne,t
54	Ken Rowland			KRowl65135{'at'}aol.co,m
55	Kevin  J Mayers		kevinmayers{'at'}lineone.ne,t
56	Kevin Davies		kevin_davies{'at'}bigfoot.co,m
57	Kevin Lee			krl{'at'}keltia4.prestel.co.u,k
58	Laura Fenzl			Laura{'at'}netexp.ne,t
59	Lewis Strassberg	las1{'at'}pipeline.co,m
60	Lyn David Thomas	lyn{'at'}stuffing.demon.co.u,k
61	Mark Goodge			mark{'at'}good-stuff.co.u,k
62	Martin Bly			bly{'at'}star.rl.ac.u,k
63	Martin Rush			mrush{'at'}cix.compulink.co.u,k
64	Mary Woolliscroft	keithmary.woolliscroft{'at'}virgin.ne,t
65	Maurice George		mauriceg{'at'}mauriceg.demon.co.u,k
66	Mike Cassidy		mike_cassidy{'at'}interconti.co,m
67	Mike Kelly			mike{'at'}m-kelly.demon.co.u,k
68	Mike Pitt			mikepitt{'at'}chiark.greenend.org.u,k
69	Neil Fernandez		ncf{'at'}borve.demon.co.u,k
70	Neil Irving			neil{'at'}neilirving.demon.co.u,k
71	Nick Sheeran		Nick_Sheeran{'at'}caradon.co,m
72	Norma Parry			norma{'at'}h-and-onews.demon.co.u,k
73	Owen Bevan			owen{'at'}owenb.demon.co.u,k
74	Owen Lewis			O.W.Lewis{'at'}warwick.ac.u,k
75	P Parry				peter{'at'}wppltd.demon.co.u,k
76	Patrick Herring		ph{'at'}anweald.exnet.co.u,k
77	Paul Bolchover		pb10003{'at'}cus.cam.ac.u,k
78	Paul Carpenter		paul{'at'}pcserv.demon.co.u,k
79	Paul L. Allen		pla{'at'}sktb.demon.co.u,k
80	Pekka P. Pirinen	ppp{'at'}pirinen.demon.co.u,k
81	Pete Humble			pjh1{'at'}le.ac.u,k
82	Peter Thomas		p.thomas{'at'}zetnet.co.u,k
83	Phil Clark			pjclark{'at'}enterprise.ne,t
84	Phil Hunt			philh{'at'}vision25.demon.co.u,k
85	Randy Linton		randyll{'at'}clarkston.co,m
86	Ric Batson			rbatson{'at'}iname.co,m
87	Richard Clayton		richard{'at'}turnpike.co,m
88	Richard Lamont		richard{'at'}stonix.demon.co.u,k
89	Robert Irvine		robbie{'at'}arakeen.demon.co.u,k
90	Robert Tusler		rtusler{'at'}unforgettable.co,m
91	Roy Stilling		rpjs{'at'}kalevala.demon.co.u,k
92	S.W.F. Borthwick	swfb{'at'}bokop.win-uk.ne,t
93	Sarah Clayton		sarah{'at'}sattva.demon.co.u,k
94	Sarah Freed			delphinus{'at'}which.ne,t
95	Scott Watson		watson{'at'}isp.net.u,k
96	Shaun Hague			shaunh{'at'}dtop.demon.co.u,k
97	Simon Gray			simon{'at'}star-one.org.u,k
98	Simon Whitaker		simon{'at'}whitaker.u-net.co,m
99	Stephen Gower		sjg{'at'}k2.stcatz.ox.ac.u,k
100	S Wolstenholme		steve{'at'}tropheus.demon.co.u,k
101	Steve Bloomer		Steve{'at'}crowpark.demon.co.u,k
102	Steve Ellwood		telecom{'at'}dircon.co.u,k
103	Steve Lewin			slewin{'at'}zetnet.co.u,k
104	Steve Way			steveway{'at'}ways.demon.co.u,k
105	Stuart Baldwin		stuart{'at'}boxatrix.demon.co.u,k
106	Susan A. Francies	MSFRancies{'at'}aol.com.u,k
107	Tim Forcer			tmf{'at'}ecs.soton.ac.u,k
108	Toby Fisher			toby{'at'}cottingham.u-net.co,m
109	Tony Towers			wibble{'at'}fishblanket.demon.co.u,k
110	Vikash Shah			vik{'at'}vshah.demon.co.u,k
111	Vivienne S Dunstan	vd001{'at'}post.almac.co.u,k


How They Voted
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	Vote 1					Vote 2				
#	Bot	NoG	Ep	Ms	Abs		Peo	Dis	Hea	Sup	NoG
1	X						3	2	4	1	5
2	X						1	2	3	4	5
3	X								1	2	3
4	X							3	2	1
5	X						3	2	1
6	X							1	2	3
7	X						2	4	3	1	5
8	X						1	3	2	4
9	X						1
10	X						4	3	2	1	5
11	X						5	2	3	1	4
12	X								1
13	X							
14	X									1	2
15	X							1
16	X						2	3	1
17	X						3	2	1	4
18	X						4	1	3	2	5
19	X						1	3	2	5	4
20	X
21	X						1	2	4	3	5
22	X
23	X						4	3	1	2	5
24	X						1	2
25				X			2	4	3	1	5
26	X						3	5	2	1	4
27	X						4	3	2	1	5
28	X						3	2	1	4	5
29	X						3	5	1	2	4
30	X						4	3	2	1	5
31	X						5	3	1	2	4
32	X						1	4	3	2	5
33				X			3	4	2	1	5
34	X						1	2	3	4	5
35	X									1
36	X								1	3	2
37	X								2	1	3
38	X						1	3	4	5	2
39	X						4	3	1	2
40	X						1	2	4	5	3
41	X						4	3	2	1
42	X						1	3	2	4
43	X						4	3	2	1
44				X			1	4	3	2	5
45					X		5	2	1	3	4
46	X						4	5	2	1	3
47					X					1
48		X					4	1	2	3
49					X		5	2	3	1	4
50	X						1	5	3	2	4
51	X						1	2	4	5	3
52	X						4	1	3	2	5
53	X						1	3	4	2
54				X			4	5	3	2	1
55			X				3	4	2	1	5
56	X						1	4	2	3	5
57	X						2	4	3	1	5
58				X						1
59	X						1	4	3	2	5
60	X						1		2	3	4
61	X								2	1
62	X						2	4	3	1
63	X						3	4	2	1	5
64	X						4	2	3	1	5
65	X								2	1
66	X						1	2	4	5	3
67	X						4	1	3	2	5
68					X
69	X						1	2	3	4	5
70	X						1	4	2	3
71	X						1	2	4	5	3
72	X								2	1
73	X							3	2	1
74	X						1		2	3
75	X						5	4	3	1	2
76	X						1	5	2	4	3
77  X						4	5	1	2	3
78	X						2			1	3
79	X									1
80					X		1	4	3	2
81	X						3	2	4	1	5
82	X						1	4	3	2	5
83	X						1
84	X						1	3	2	4
85	X						4	1	2	3	5
86	X						1	5	3	2	4
87	X						2		1		3
88	X							1	2	3	4
89	X						3	4	2	1	5
90	X						1	4	3	2
91	X						3	4	1	2	5
92					X		5	4	2	1	3
93	X						1	2			3
94	X						4	2	3	1
95	X						2	4	3	1	5
96	X						1	2
97					X			3	2	1	4
98	X						3		2	1
99	X						5	4	2	1	3
100	X								2	1
101	X						1	2
102	X						5	3	2	1	4
103	X						4	5	2	1	3
104	X						1				2
105	X						1	2	3	4
106				X
107	X						1	4	3	2	5
108	X						1	2
109	X						2		4	1	3
110	X						1	2	4	5	3
111	X						4	3	2	1


Invalid Votes
======================================================================
Real name: Carl Henderson, voted from "BillGates@webtv.com" - Ack
bounced therefore the vote was ignored.

Real name:Graham Goldman, voted from "goldy1@parys.lia.net" - Ack
bounced therefore the vote was ignored.

Real name: Thomas Lee, voted from "tfl@nospam.demon.co.uk" - The domain
"nospam.demon.co.uk" is an illegal domain for voting purposes - Ack
bounced back to me by postmaster therefore the vote was ignored.

- -- 
SJF Beckwith, me@steves.org.uk
Deputy Co-ordinator and Votetaker, UK-VOTING

UK-VOTING web pages are at http://www.harlech.demon.co.uk/ukvoting.htm



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