10 May 1998: Change in the Charter of uk.politics.misc (guns)
RESULT: Change in the Charter of uk.politics.misc (guns) - FAILS.
Author: SJFBeckwith
Email: sjfb@steves.org.uk
Date: 1998/05/10
Forums: uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.announce, uk.politics.misc, uk.politics.guns
Message-ID: <result-uk.politics.misc-980510-204033@usenet.org.uk>
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RESULT: Change in the Charter of uk.politics.misc (guns) - FAILS.
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 BST, 8th May 1998.
Proponent: 666@hack.powernet[dot]co[dot]uk (Simon Gardner)
Votetaker: sjfb@steves.org.uk (SJFBeckwith)
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.politics.misc,
uk.politics.guns
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The Results:
Change the charter?
Yes = 18
No = 8
Abstain = 5
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Total = 31
"Yes" failed the +12 rule when comparing against "No", by two votes.
The total number of valid votes was 31. There were no invalid votes.
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Rationale:
Under 'Cross-posting' to add:
Cross posting to any gun group and to uk.politics.misc
is specifically forbidden.
This would not, of course forbid discussion of matters relating to guns
on the (rare) occasion that they are relevant to British politics. It
is noted that there is already a separate group uk.politics.guns. This
proposed alteration is designed to limit some of the periodic abuses by
American gun nuts flaming with multiple cross-posting of little
relevance to the UK or British politics. It does not seek to limit
discussion as such, just cross posting.
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The Proposal:
The charter as amended would read:
Charter:
uk.politics.misc is a group aimed at wide ranging discussion, the only
restriction being that issues discussed must be of a political nature.
The group is expected to concentrate on the politics of or affecting the
UK, and is open to posters from outside the UK as well as within it.
Crossposting:
Excessive crossposting is inappropriate. Crossposting to other groups
in the uk.politics.* hierarchy MUST be on-topic for those groups, and is
generally discouraged because of the likelihood of subject drift.
Crossposting to more than two special-topic uk.politics.* groups, or to
uk.politics.misc and special-topic group(s) simultaneously is not
allowed. Crossposting to more than a total of 4 groups (including this
one) is strongly discouraged. Cross posting to any gun group and to
uk.politics.misc is specifically forbidden
Advertising:
Is forbidden, except that short (less than 20 lines) announcements of
relevant events are allowed.
Binaries:
Binaries (apart from PGP signatures) are not permitted, but directions
as to where binaries may be found are welcomed.
Newsgroup Line:
uk.politics.misc General unrestricted UK political debate
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The Particulars of the Vote
valid votes
name email address voted
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andy mabbett amabbett.bham-assist@demon@couk a
james lawson chasm.ccl4org a
hugh davies huge.axalotl@demon@couk a
richard letts richard.illuin@demon@couk a
simon gray simon.star-one@orguk a
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5
chris hills chris.phaedsys@demon@couk n
leo leo.venturer@demon@couk n
w. macdonald macdonaldw.ferengi@couk n
peter bell peter.bell@demon@couk n
philip hunt philh.vision25@demon@couk n
richard ashton richard.corixia@demon@couk n
shaun hollingworth shaun.moatlane@demon@couk n
thomas lee tfl.psp@couk n
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8
alex holden alexh.claranet y
andrew gambier andrew.gambier@demon@couk y
andy walker anw.maths@nott@acuk y
william boughton bill.xencat@demon@couk y
david spencer d.dsds@demon@couk y
david damerell damerell.chiark@greenend@orguk y
doug weller dweller.ramtops@demon@couk y
ian k. ridley ikr2.le@acuk y
james nash j@nash.mdx@acuk y
lyn david thomas lyn.stuffing@demon@couk y
dave mayall mayalld.postoffice@couk y
nir leuchter nir.easynet@couk y
andrew norman nja.le@acuk y
t bruce tober octobersdad.reportersnet y
paul wolff paul.wolff@couk y
sarah baker sarah.simple-signshop@demon@couk y
simon gardner simon@gardner.hack@powernet@couk y
tim miller tm6248.bristol@acuk y
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18
y yes
n no
a abstain
invalid votes
name email problem
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none
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