31 Dec 1998: uk.rec.waterways.fens

From: Robert Felton <swinny@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:15:24 -0000
Subject: RESULT - Create uk.rec.waterways.fens PASSES 28:13
Newsgroups: None



	   Summary: Creating new newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens

	    Create newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens PASSES 28:13

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 22nd December 1998.

Proponent: greg@home.cam.net.uk (Greg Chapman)
Votetaker: votequestion@swinny.cix.co.uk (Rob Felton)

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.rec.waterways

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Newsgroup charter

PROPOSAL - Create newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens

YES = 28
NO = 13

YES beat NO by a majority of 15 votes, this is more than the +12
majority required to beat the status quo.

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The Particulars of the Vote

A = Abstain                                             PROPOSAL

Philip Hunt              philh@vision25.demonuk,co         Y
Mr Anthony B McLinden    dodgy_pony@hempseed,c&om          N
Michael Parry            michael@unicorn-connectionuk,co   Y
Mark Zytynski            zyt@cixuk,co                      Y
Darren Rees              merlin@cvnetuk,co                 N
Ian Cox                  einstein@enterprise,n&et          Y
Robbie Irvine            robbie@arrakis??nu                A
Allan Beetlestone        A@beetlestone.demonuk,co          Y
Mike Paley               pmailkee@waverideruk,co           Y
Lawrence Tarlow          tarlowl@ltpc.demonuk,co           N
Tim Dignon               tim@cursciuk,co                   Y
Ian Kitching             systimk@bridge.anglia.ac.uk       Y
Alastair Law             alastair@law-home.demonuk,co      Y
Dr Graham Arthur Roberts archie.r@zetnetuk,co              Y
Adrian Stott             adrian@enable.telinco,c&om        N
Denis McMahon            denis@pickaxe.demonuk,co          N
George E. Pearson        george@adiva,c&om                 Y
M J Ray                  M.J.Ray@UEA,uk.ac                 Y
Richard Fairhurst        richard@systemeD.u-net,c&om       Y
Neil Mackin              Neil@Mackin.Cixuk,co              Y
John Burnage             jburnage@enterprise=2Enet         Y
Mike Thomas              mike@mbreliance.demonuk,co        Y
R G Ansell               ricka@globalnetuk,co              N
Martin Phillips          martin@g4cio.demonuk,co           Y
Andy Clarke              bmservices@btinternet,c&om        Y
Brett Laniosh            brett@g4nzk.demonuk,co            Y
Molly Mockford           molly_mockford@my-dejanews,c&om   N
Dave Mayall              david.mayall@ukonlineuk,co        A
Roger Haynes             roger.haynes@virgin.net           Y
christopher deuchar      chris.deuchar@nottingham,uk.ac    N
Alex Dawson              alex.dawson@uea,uk.ac             Y
Greg Chapman             greg@home.cam.net.uk              Y
Charles Lindsey          chl@clw.cs.man,uk.ac              N
John Bennett             john@johnpb.demonuk,co            N
Andy Mabbett             amabbett@bham-assist.demonuk,co   Y
Paul Bolchover           pb10003@cus.cam,uk.ac             A
SJFBeckwith              sjfb@cirra,c&om                   A
tobias erle              vote@kholdan.snafu,ed             N
Andy Roberts             andyrobts@zetnetuk,co             Y
Jonathan Calder          mail@joncal.demonuk,co            Y
Jackie Lewis             jalewis@dirconuk,co               Y
Derek Stanley            derek@boat-safety.demonuk,co      Y
Bill Davies              billyboy@gto.net.om               N
David Kitching           davidk@brocross.u-net,c&om        N
Alex Ray                 ajtr2@cam.ac.uk                   Y

Invalid Votes

No Email Address

Mark Goodge

Spoilt Ballot Paper with No Real Name or Email Address

Mark Keddie              mgkeddie@yahoo,c&om

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Votetakers Notes:

Nothing to really say, apart from one idiot who sent the whole CFV with a 
silly comment and no vote - how silly.

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RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion)

The newsgroup uk.rec.waterways now has traffic typically exceeding 100
articles per day.  Much of that traffic is recognised by participants
as being more akin to "pub chat" than directly on-topic.  The majority
view appears to be that this format is not just tolerated but

Because of the culture of the group, the existance of a gated maillist
with digest facilities, and the presence of many new to "computerised
comferencing", subject lines often do not reflect the content of
articles.  It, therefore, becomes very difficult to pick and download
messages which are likely to be of value, if your interests within the
overall waterways scene are limited.

The proponent therefore seeks to establish a new newsgroup which would
relate closely to the waterways of his local area and which he
believes will generate sufficient traffic to justify an additional


An RFD for uk.rec.waterways.fens was published on 20/10/98.  Since
then some 30 people have contributed to the debate.  Most of these
have indicated support for the proposed group or have suggested
refinements to the original wording of the proposed charter.  However,
a consensus has not been achieved and there remains a hardcore who
oppose the creation of a "regional" subgroup of uk.rec.waterways
preferring either no new group at all or additional groups based on
non-geographic topics.  Accordingly, the UK Usenet Committee have
requested a CFV to determine whether the group should be created.

In the charter below the changes from that originally published are:

# Change of the newsgroup line and defined purpose of the group to
remove the emphasis on boating.
# Change of wording to indicate specific rivers and waterways rather
than the Counties in which these are located.
# Additional lines which indicate wildlife, buildings and structures,
flood protection and conservation matters are to be on-topic in the
# Addition of a section to specify arrangements for any mail list
# Changes to bring the paragraphs on advertising and binaries in line
with the then current draft of "boilerplate" text together with its
standard warning note.

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Newsgroups line:
uk.rec.waterways.fens           Discussion of the Fen waterways

CHARTER: uk.rec.waterways.fens

The newsgroup is for discussion of all matters of interest to users of
the following English waterways:

The Middle Level Navigations.
The River Witham and its associated navigable drains.
The Rivers Welland, Nene and Gt Ouse and their tributories to their
navigable limits.

On-Topic matters include but are not necessarily limited to:

# The history of the rivers, canals and other navigable drains.
# The current and future state of the waterways.
# The wildlife associated with the waterways.
# The history of the boats, buildings and structures associated with
these waters.
# Boats currently using the waterways.
# The local navigation authorities, their bye-laws and licences. 
# Flood Protection and other conservation matters.
# Boatyards, marinas and other facilities and services for the
waterway user.


Any mailing list which is gatewayed to this list should be RFC
compliant and transparent to the newsgroup's users.  If a gateway is
established then the gateway owner shall ensure that the list's
charter shall match that of this newgroup with regard to topic and the
owner contribute to a regularly posted FAQ to explain the implications
of the facility for users either side of the gateway.


Advertising is forbidden, with the following exceptions:

Suppliers of fen waterway - relevant goods and services may post a
pointer to their website or invitation to request details. This may
not exceed four lines and may be posted no more often than once every
three months. The subject line should begin ADVERT:", except for
vacancies, which should begin "JOB:"


Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, word processor files, Zip files,
"business cards", etc.), are *forbidden*, with the exception of
cryptographic signatures equivalent to no more than 10 lines of plain
text (e.g. PGP)

Posts must be readable as plaintext; HTML is forbidden.  Such material
belongs on a web or ftp site, to which a pointer may be posted.

Posters are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at 
http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html for further information on how to
configure newsreaders to post to uk.* newsgroups.


Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
postmaster and or ISP.

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Swinny - Rob Felton
Co-Ordinator, UKVoting (mailto:ukvoting@usenet.org.uk)

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