31 Dec 1998: uk.rec.waterways.fens
From: Robert Felton <swinny@cix.compulink.co.uk>
Date: 31 Dec 1998 11:15:24 -0000
Subject: RESULT - Create uk.rec.waterways.fens PASSES 28:13
Newsgroups: None
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Summary: Creating new newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens
Create newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens PASSES 28:13
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 22nd December 1998.
Proponent: greg@home.cam.net.uk (Greg Chapman)
Votetaker: votequestion@swinny.cix.co.uk (Rob Felton)
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Distribution:
uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.rec.waterways
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The Results:
The results follow below in the following order:
1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Newsgroup charter
PROPOSAL - Create newsgroup uk.rec.waterways.fens
YES = 28
NO = 13
ABSTAIN = 4
YES beat NO by a majority of 15 votes, this is more than the +12
majority required to beat the status quo.
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The Particulars of the Vote
A = Abstain PROPOSAL
Philip Hunt philh@vision25.demonuk,co Y
Mr Anthony B McLinden dodgy_pony@hempseed,c&om N
Michael Parry michael@unicorn-connectionuk,co Y
Mark Zytynski zyt@cixuk,co Y
Darren Rees merlin@cvnetuk,co N
Ian Cox einstein@enterprise,n&et Y
Robbie Irvine robbie@arrakis??nu A
Allan Beetlestone A@beetlestone.demonuk,co Y
Mike Paley pmailkee@waverideruk,co Y
Lawrence Tarlow tarlowl@ltpc.demonuk,co N
Tim Dignon tim@cursciuk,co Y
Ian Kitching systimk@bridge.anglia.ac.uk Y
Alastair Law alastair@law-home.demonuk,co Y
Dr Graham Arthur Roberts archie.r@zetnetuk,co Y
Adrian Stott adrian@enable.telinco,c&om N
Denis McMahon denis@pickaxe.demonuk,co N
George E. Pearson george@adiva,c&om Y
M J Ray M.J.Ray@UEA,uk.ac Y
Richard Fairhurst richard@systemeD.u-net,c&om Y
Neil Mackin Neil@Mackin.Cixuk,co Y
John Burnage jburnage@enterprise=2Enet Y
Mike Thomas mike@mbreliance.demonuk,co Y
R G Ansell ricka@globalnetuk,co N
Martin Phillips martin@g4cio.demonuk,co Y
Andy Clarke bmservices@btinternet,c&om Y
Brett Laniosh brett@g4nzk.demonuk,co Y
Molly Mockford molly_mockford@my-dejanews,c&om N
Dave Mayall david.mayall@ukonlineuk,co A
Roger Haynes roger.haynes@virgin.net Y
christopher deuchar chris.deuchar@nottingham,uk.ac N
Alex Dawson alex.dawson@uea,uk.ac Y
Greg Chapman greg@home.cam.net.uk Y
Charles Lindsey chl@clw.cs.man,uk.ac N
John Bennett john@johnpb.demonuk,co N
Andy Mabbett amabbett@bham-assist.demonuk,co Y
Paul Bolchover pb10003@cus.cam,uk.ac A
SJFBeckwith sjfb@cirra,c&om A
tobias erle vote@kholdan.snafu,ed N
Andy Roberts andyrobts@zetnetuk,co Y
Jonathan Calder mail@joncal.demonuk,co Y
Jackie Lewis jalewis@dirconuk,co Y
Derek Stanley derek@boat-safety.demonuk,co Y
Bill Davies billyboy@gto.net.om N
David Kitching davidk@brocross.u-net,c&om N
Alex Ray ajtr2@cam.ac.uk Y
Invalid Votes
No Email Address
Mark Goodge
Spoilt Ballot Paper with No Real Name or Email Address
Mark Keddie mgkeddie@yahoo,c&om
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Votetakers Notes:
Nothing to really say, apart from one idiot who sent the whole CFV with a
silly comment and no vote - how silly.
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RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion)
The newsgroup uk.rec.waterways now has traffic typically exceeding 100
articles per day. Much of that traffic is recognised by participants
as being more akin to "pub chat" than directly on-topic. The majority
view appears to be that this format is not just tolerated but
welcomed.
Because of the culture of the group, the existance of a gated maillist
with digest facilities, and the presence of many new to "computerised
comferencing", subject lines often do not reflect the content of
articles. It, therefore, becomes very difficult to pick and download
messages which are likely to be of value, if your interests within the
overall waterways scene are limited.
The proponent therefore seeks to establish a new newsgroup which would
relate closely to the waterways of his local area and which he
believes will generate sufficient traffic to justify an additional
group.
SUMMARY OF DISCUSSION
An RFD for uk.rec.waterways.fens was published on 20/10/98. Since
then some 30 people have contributed to the debate. Most of these
have indicated support for the proposed group or have suggested
refinements to the original wording of the proposed charter. However,
a consensus has not been achieved and there remains a hardcore who
oppose the creation of a "regional" subgroup of uk.rec.waterways
preferring either no new group at all or additional groups based on
non-geographic topics. Accordingly, the UK Usenet Committee have
requested a CFV to determine whether the group should be created.
In the charter below the changes from that originally published are:
# Change of the newsgroup line and defined purpose of the group to
remove the emphasis on boating.
# Change of wording to indicate specific rivers and waterways rather
than the Counties in which these are located.
# Additional lines which indicate wildlife, buildings and structures,
flood protection and conservation matters are to be on-topic in the
group.
# Addition of a section to specify arrangements for any mail list
gateway.
# Changes to bring the paragraphs on advertising and binaries in line
with the then current draft of "boilerplate" text together with its
standard warning note.
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PROPOSED CHARTER
Newsgroups line:
uk.rec.waterways.fens Discussion of the Fen waterways
CHARTER: uk.rec.waterways.fens
The newsgroup is for discussion of all matters of interest to users of
the following English waterways:
The Middle Level Navigations.
The River Witham and its associated navigable drains.
The Rivers Welland, Nene and Gt Ouse and their tributories to their
navigable limits.
On-Topic matters include but are not necessarily limited to:
# The history of the rivers, canals and other navigable drains.
# The current and future state of the waterways.
# The wildlife associated with the waterways.
# The history of the boats, buildings and structures associated with
these waters.
# Boats currently using the waterways.
# The local navigation authorities, their bye-laws and licences.
# Flood Protection and other conservation matters.
# Boatyards, marinas and other facilities and services for the
waterway user.
MAIL LIST GATEWAYS
Any mailing list which is gatewayed to this list should be RFC
compliant and transparent to the newsgroup's users. If a gateway is
established then the gateway owner shall ensure that the list's
charter shall match that of this newgroup with regard to topic and the
owner contribute to a regularly posted FAQ to explain the implications
of the facility for users either side of the gateway.
ADVERTISING
Advertising is forbidden, with the following exceptions:
Suppliers of fen waterway - relevant goods and services may post a
pointer to their website or invitation to request details. This may
not exceed four lines and may be posted no more often than once every
three months. The subject line should begin ADVERT:", except for
vacancies, which should begin "JOB:"
BINARIES & FORMATTING
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, word processor files, Zip files,
"business cards", etc.), are *forbidden*, with the exception of
cryptographic signatures equivalent to no more than 10 lines of plain
text (e.g. PGP)
Posts must be readable as plaintext; HTML is forbidden. Such material
belongs on a web or ftp site, to which a pointer may be posted.
Posters are invited to read a guide on the World Wide Web at
http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html for further information on how to
configure newsreaders to post to uk.* newsgroups.
WARNING
Anyone posting contrary to this charter may be reported to their
postmaster and or ISP.
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Swinny - Rob Felton
Co-Ordinator, UKVoting (mailto:ukvoting@usenet.org.uk)
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