17 Jan 1999: uk.local.scot-highlands
From: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 1999 23:38:45 GMT
Subject: Results: uk.local.scot-highlands PASSES 55:9
Newsgroups: None
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RESULT OF CALL FOR VOTES
Creation of new newsgroup uk.local.scot-highlands PASSES 55:9
[Ballot ID: ULSH01]
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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Friday 8 January 1999
Proponant: ncf@borve.demon.co.uk (Neil Fernandez)
Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford)
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Distribution:
These results have been posted to:
uk.net.news.announce
uk.net.news.config
scot.general
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Voting Summary:
Creation of new newsgroup:
uk.local.scot-highlands Discussions relating to the Scottish Highlands+Islands
The Rationale, Summary of Discussion and Charter follow the main
results for informational purposes.
YES = 55 (86%)
NO = 9 (14%)
ABSTAIN = 0 (0%)
There were a total of 64 valid votes. YES beat NO by a majority of 43.
This is above the majority of 12 that is required for a vote to pass.
There were no abstentions. There was one invalid vote.
There will be a five day discussion period after these results have
been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations
of irregularities to be raised.
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Votetaker's Comments:
This is the second time I have personally taken a vote for a Scottish
local group in uk.* Despite not creating quite as many votes as for
the other group, these results are still decisively clear.
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The Results in Full:
Those Who Voted YES (Total: 55)
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Alan Potter $ThePotters$#bigfoot{dot}com
Alasdair Baxter $alasdair$#dram{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Alice G Graham $alice{dot}graham$#scotent{dot}co{dot}uk
Andi Carey $ukn$#amcarey{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Andy Mabbett $amabett$#bham-assist{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Andy Roberts $andyrobts$#zetnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Arwel Parry $arwel$#cartref{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Bill Davies $Billyboy$#gto{dot}net{dot}om
Bob Scott $bob$#landb5{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Calum MacLeod $mmacle$#scri{dot}sari{dot}ac{dot}uk
DAllison $david$#wedding-services{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Daniel Toye $daniel{dot}toye$#cableol{dot}co{dot}uk
Dave Mayall $david{dot}mayall$#ukonline{dot}co{dot}uk
David Clapham $Dave$#community-spirit{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
David Damerell $damerell$#chiark{dot}greenend{dot}org{dot}uk
David Wright $daibhidh$#ealaghol{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Denis McMahon $denis$#pickaxe{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
George S. Dingwall $George$#scottdingwall{dot}freeserve{dot}co{dot}uk
Heather Colquhoun $colquhoun{dot}mob$#zetnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Howard Glyn $webmaster$#britball{dot}com
Hugh Davies $huge$#axalotl{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Iain Kenneth $iaink$#dial{dot}pipex{dot}com
Ian Miller $Ian_Miller$#bifroest{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Ian Peattie $ian$#johnrich{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Jim Hill $jim$#jh-c{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
John Muncie $jrm$#lochaber{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
julie spittle $julie{dot}spittle$#virgin{dot}net
Ken James $lapis$#ndirect{dot}co{dot}uk
MArc Donovan $donovan$#dial{dot}pipex{dot}com
Mark Woods $mark$#woods{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Martin Paterson $m{dot}paterson$#consunet{dot}nl
Marysia $marysia$#jadzia{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Michael Parry $michael$#unicorn-connection{dot}co{dot}uk
Mike Alexander $alexanm$#netcomuk{dot}co{dot}uk
Mike Landers $plissken$#netcomuk{dot}co{dot}uk
Mike Paley $pmailkee$#waverider{dot}co{dot}uk
Neil Fernandez $ncf$#borve{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Norman Mackenzie $norman{dot}mckenzie$#virgin{dot}net
Omar Jamil $oxj$#dcs{dot}ed{dot}ac{dot}uk
Pamela S. Carr $Pamela{dot}Carr$#worldnet{dot}att{dot}net
Paul Bolchover $pb10003$#cus{dot}cam{dot}ac{dot}uk
Paul Womar $Vote$#pwomar{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Peter Dent $p-dent$#ti{dot}com
Peter Parry $peter$#wppltd{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Philip Powell $philip$#blencathra{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Richard Ashton $richard$#corixia{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Ross Younger $wry20$#cai{dot}cam{dot}ac{dot}uk
simon gray $simon$#star-one{dot}org{dot}uk
steve ellwood $steve{dot}ellwood{dot}sh$#telecom{dot}dircon{dot}co
Steve Gontarek $sjg$#carnasserie{dot}freeserve{dot}co{dot}uk
Thomas Lee $tfl$#psp{dot}co{dot}uk
tobias erle $vote$#kholdan{dot}snafu{dot}de
Toby Speight $Toby{dot}Speight$#digitivity{dot}com
Tom McEwan $news$#kersland{dot}u-net{dot}com
Tony Towers $tony$#fishblanket{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Those Who Voted NO (Total: 9)
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Alex Dawson $a{dot}dawson$#pmail{dot}net
Anne Jackson $amygdala$#zetnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Charles Ellson $charles$#ellson{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Craig Cockburn $craig$#scot{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Darren Wyn Rees $merlin$#cvnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Duncan Dewar $duncan$#brandane{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Lee Bohan $lee{dot}bohan$#iname{dot}com
Peter Geddes $pgeddes$#zetnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Simon Brooke $simon$#jasmine{dot}org{dot}uk
Those Who ABSTAINed (Total: 0)
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None
Invalid Votes Reason
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J T Gillies $johngillies$#calligrafix{dot}co{dot}uk [1]
Reasons:
[1] Acknowledgement bounced (550 User unknown)
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The creation of a new unmoderated newsgroup uk.local.scot-highlands
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
uk.local.scot-highlands Discussions relating to the Scottish Highlands+Islands
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RATIONALE:
Although access to the internet is fairly widespread in the Scottish
Highlands and Islands, no newsgroup currently exists that relates
specifically to this area. As well as allowing locally-focused discussions
of the sort that take place on other uk.local.* newsgroups,
uk.local.scot-highlands would also be an especially useful medium for those
who live in often remote communities. It is further hoped that there will
be frequent use of Gaelic as well as English, and that the use of
uk.local.scot-highlands would contribute positively to the thriving of
Gaelic-speaking culture.
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SUMMARY OF THE DISCUSSION:
The overall idea of a group won broad acceptance and support.
The main opposition was grounded on the idea that the proposed group
should be created on the scot.* hierarchy rather than the uk.* hierarchy.
Clearly, however, this is insufficient ground for objection, since what
happens on uk.* is a matter for the users of uk.*, many of whom are
Scottish or live in Scotland or are interested in Scotland, and many of
whom are ourselves users of scot.* or even active participants in
scot.general. The proposed group would fit onto the uk.local.* hierarchy
in the same way as groups focused on other areas of the UK; and creating
it on uk.* certainly does not imply any political position whatsoever.
Other points were raised that led to five small instances of tidying-up of
the original charter. These are as follows:
1) The Newsgroups line has been changed from:
uk.local.scot-highlands Discussions relating to the Scottish Highlands
to:
uk.local.scot-highlands Discussions relating to the Scottish Highlands+Islands
2) The charter has been changed accordingly. This has not led to any
change in sense, nor in the area covered. The charter has been changed
from:
"uk.local.scot-highlands is for the discussion of any topic relating to the
Scottish Highlands.
The Scottish Highlands are defined broadly to include not only the
geographical area under the administration of the Highland Regional
Council, plus the Grampian mountains, but also the Western Isles, the
Northern Isles (the Fair Isle, Orkney, and Shetland), the Southwest
Highlands (an area which itself includes both areas of the mainland, such
as the Kintyre Peninsula, and islands, such as Islay and Jura). 'Highlands'
is of course a social term - Inverness is the largest town in the Highlands
but its altitude is low - and so the relevant area's boundary is not
considered to be definable with great precision.
to:
"uk.local.scot-highlands is for the discussion of any topic relating to the
Scottish Highlands and Islands.
This area is defined broadly to include not only the geographical area
under the administration of Comhairle na Gaidhealtachd (the Highland
Council), plus the Grampian mountains, but also the Western Isles, the
Northern Isles (the Fair Isle, Orkney, and Shetland), the Southwest
Highlands (an area which itself includes both areas of the mainland, such
as the Kintyre Peninsula, and islands, such as Islay and Jura). 'Islands'
may be relatively clear, but 'Highlands' is of course a social term -
Inverness is the largest town in the Highlands but its altitude is low -
and so the relevant area's boundary is not considered to be definable with
great precision."
3) The section on languages has been changed from:
"English and Gaelic shall always be considered acceptable languages for any
post to this newsgroup. In other words, no post shall be considered to be
off-topic or off-charter simply by reason of being written in either of
these two languages. Nor shall a request for a translation into either of
these two languages be considered unacceptable either."
to:
"The main languages for posts to this newsgroup are expected to be English
and Gaelic. Posts in any language or dialect are welcome, but users who
post in a language or dialect that is less widely understood should not be
surprised if somebody asks for a translation into a language or dialect
that is more widely understood."
4) The sentence concerning binaries has been changed from:
"With the exception of PGP signatures, the posting of binaries is not
permitted."
to:
"Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, sounds, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden, except for cryptographic (e.g. PGP) signatures."
5) The section concerning advertising has been changed from:
"Commercial advertising is not permitted, although recommendations of
products are acceptable on the understanding that the poster does not have
a financial interest in their sale. Notices of coming events in the
Highlands, or relevant in any way to the Highlands (e.g. Highlanders'
get-togethers in Glasgow, London, or anywhere else) are of course welcome."
to:
"Commercial advertising is not permitted, although recommendations of
products are acceptable on the understanding that the poster does not have
a financial interest in their sale. Notices of coming events in the
Highlands and Islands, or relevant in any way to the Highlands and Islands
(e.g. get-togethers in Glasgow, London, or anywhere else) are of course
welcome."
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CHARTER: uk.local.scot-highlands
NEWSGROUPS LINE:
uk.local.scot-highlands Discussions relating to the Scottish Highlands+Islands
uk.local.scot-highlands is for the discussion of any topic relating to the
Scottish Highlands and Islands.
This area is defined broadly to include not only the geographical area
under the administration of Comhairle na Gaidhealtachd (the Highland
Council), plus the Grampian mountains, but also the Western Isles, the
Northern Isles (the Fair Isle, Orkney, and Shetland), the Southwest
Highlands (an area which itself includes both areas of the mainland, such
as the Kintyre Peninsula, and islands, such as Islay and Jura). 'Islands'
may be relatively clear, but 'Highlands' is of course a social term -
Inverness is the largest town in the Highlands but its altitude is low -
and so the relevant area's boundary is not considered to be definable with
great precision.
The main languages for posts to this newsgroup are expected to be English
and Gaelic. Posts in any language or dialect are welcome, but users who
post in a language or dialect that is less widely understood should not be
surprised if somebody asks for a translation into a language or dialect
that is more widely understood.
Commercial advertising is not permitted, although recommendations of
products are acceptable on the understanding that the poster does not have
a financial interest in their sale. Notices of coming events in the
Highlands and Islands, or relevant in any way to the Highlands and Islands
(e.g. get-togethers in Glasgow, London, or anywhere else) are of course
welcome.
Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, sounds, compressed files, etc.) are
forbidden, except for cryptographic (e.g. PGP) signatures.
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This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting.
UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs
in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are
posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the
following URL:
ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting
There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to
uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to
control@usenet.org.uk.
The UKVoting web pages can be found at:
http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/
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Alan Ford <alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk> <a.ford@ukvoting.org.uk>
Votetaker for UKVoting
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