22 Mar 1999: uk.politics.censorship Charter Change

From: Alan Ford <alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk>
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 1999 18:08:24 GMT
Subject: RESULT: uk.politics.censorship Charter Change PASSES 25:10
Newsgroups: None



Charter Change of existing newsgroup uk.politics.censorship PASSES 25:10


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Voting began Sunday, 28 February 1999
Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, Thursday 18 March 1999

Proponant: amabbett@bham-assist.demon.co.uk (Andy Mabbett)
Votetaker: alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk (Alan Ford)

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These results have been posted to:

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Voting Summary:

The Rationale, Summary of Discussion, Proposal, and new Charter follow
the main results for informational purposes.

YES     = 25 (68%)
NO      = 10 (27%)
ABSTAIN =  2 (5%)

There were a total of 37 valid votes. YES beat NO by a majority of 15.
This is above the majority of 12 that is required for a vote to pass.
There were 2 abstentions. There were no invalid votes.

There will be a five day discussion period after these results have
been posted before the group is created to allow for any allegations
of irregularities to be raised.

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Votetaker's Comments:

There was relatively little interest in this vote, and the result in
the end is fairly close. It did, however, run smoothly throughout.

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The Results in Full:

Those Who Voted YES (Total: 25)
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Alan Rayner                $alanr$#lightnet{dot}co{dot}uk
Alex Dawson                $alex{dot}dawson$#uea{dot}ac{dot}uk
Alex Holden                $votes$#alexh{dot}clara{dot}co{dot}uk
Andy Mabbett               $amabbett$#bham-assist{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Bill Davies                $billyboy$#gto{dot}net{dot}om
Brett Paul Dunbar          $brett$#dimetrodon{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Bruce Tober                $octobersdad$#reporters{dot}net
David Damerell             $damerell$#chiark{dot}greenend{dot}org{dot}uk
Doug Weller                $dweller$#ramtops{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Gareth J Dykes             $dykes$#argonet{dot}co{dot}uk
Ian Johnson                $irj$#ddraig{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
James Coupe                $james$#obeah{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Jeremy McNeill             $jezza$#hotwells{dot}freeserve{dot}co{dot}uk
Kevin Bracey               $kbracey$#e-14{dot}com
Matthew Somerville         $matthew$#sumsville{dot}freeserve{dot}co{dot}uk
Michael Parry              $michael$#cavrdg{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Mike Henry                 $mike$#tw2{dot}com
neil p chue hong           $npch$#tardis{dot}ed{dot}ac{dot}uk
Paul Burden                $paulb$#henryling{dot}co{dot}uk
Pete Mitchell              $newsreader$#dmed{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Phil Hunt                  $philh$#vision25{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Rachael Munns              $vashti+cfv$#dream{dot}org{dot}uk
tobias erle                $vote-uk$#kholdan{dot}snafu{dot}de
Tom Joyce                  $t{dot}m{dot}joyce$#dur{dot}ac{dot}uk
Tony Towers                $tony$#fishblanket{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk

Those Who Voted NO (Total: 10)
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Adrian Colegate            $administrator$#mia{dot}co{dot}uk
Alex K. van Deelen         $avdeelen$#xs4all{dot}nl
Andy Jeffries              $A{dot}Jeffries$#mia{dot}co{dot}uk
Clive D.W. Feather         $clive$#demon{dot}net
Edward King                $eaking$#ulape{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Richard Ashton             $richard$#corixia{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Richard Clayton            $richard$#turnpike{dot}com
Robert Alan Watts          $upcvote$#robwatts{dot}demon{dot}co{dot}uk
Sam Simpson                $ssimpson$#hertreg{dot}ac{dot}uk
Shaun Hollingworth         $shaunh$#netcene{dot}com

Those Who ABSTAINed (Total: 2)
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Simon Gardner              $666$#hack{dot}powernet{dot}co{dot}uk
simon gray                 $simon$#star-one{dot}org{dot}uk

Invalid Votes
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        HTML is unwelcome in the uk.* hierarchy. It is anti- social,
        bloats posts unnecessarily and is not viewable by all Usenet

        Requests that it not be posted to uk.politics.censorship have
        resulted in both cries of "censorship" and a request for a 
        formal RFD, so that the issue can be decided democratically.

        No censorship is meant or implied, since users will still be
        able to post any statement; this RFD seeks to restrict only the
        format used to one which is more suitable - and "user- friendly"
        - for the medium.

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The first RFD was issued on 9 October 1998 (!) and a second RFD on 12
November 1998.

A fast-track application was published on 30 November 1998, but failed
due to four objections. It them went to a vote on 17 December 1998, but
this was cancelled when it became apparent further work was needed.

A third RFD was posted on 13 January. Although there have been some
suggestions that HTML should be allowed "where necessary", there has
been no consensus on this issue and the proponent is not aware of any
wording which would mandate this, without being subjective.

The wording:

        equivalent to no more than 10 lines of plain text.

has been removed from the section of cryptographic signatures, by
popular request.

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To replace the current paragraph on binaries:

      Binaries are not permitted on this group, however        
      references to related FTP-able material and Web URL's (sic) are
      welcomed.  Short digital authentications such as PGP signatures,
      contained in postings are allowed.



        Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.), are
        *forbidden*, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP).
        Binaries belong on a web or ftp site, for which a URL may be

        Posts must be in plain text, with no more than minor
        HTML format marks. To see how to make your newsreader comply
        with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>

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New Charter of uk.politics.censorship


(Not Moderated)

Newsgroup Line:
uk.politics.censorship  Discussion of censorship

Discussion of UK censorship issues, (for and against) of all UK media
including the spoken word, radio and television, books magazines and
newspapers, films and video recordings, records and tapes, the Internet,
BBS systems and computer software, telephone chat and information lines,
and any other media yet to be devised, or unmentioned in this charter.
The group will also discuss the direct, and indirect effects of UK
censorship upon UK society, upon UK culture, and upon UK business.

Discussion of the censorship policies of companies, groups and
individuals are also 'on topic' in addition to discussion of censorship
issues which directly involve the UK government.

The group won't discuss censorship elsewhere in the world, unless this
is to make a comparison with censorship in the UK, and of course,
discussion of any such comparison. General discussion of censorship
elsewhere in the world, and in particular in the U.S.A. is catered for
by the group 'alt.censorship'

Postings are welcome from people in other countries, who would wish to
make comparisons of censorship issues in their countries, with
censorship issues and rules prevalent in the UK.


Short (less than 20 line) announcements of events relevant to readers are
permitted; blatant off-topic or commercial advertising is not allowed.


        Encoded binaries (e.g. pictures, compressed files, etc.), are
        *forbidden*, except for cryptographic signatures (e.g. PGP).
        Binaries belong on a web or ftp site, for which a URL may be

        Posts must be in plain text, with no more than minor
        HTML format marks. To see how to make your newsreader comply
        with this, read <http://www.usenet.org.uk/ukpost.html>


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Alan Ford <alan@whirlnet.demon.co.uk> <a.ford@ukvoting.org.uk>
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