From: Barry Salter Newsgroups: uk.net.news.management,uk.net.news.config,uk.net.news.announce Subject: RESULT - Change the UK Usenet Documents Ref: Fasttracking Date: 17 Apr 1999 13:08:11 +0100 Message-ID: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- RESULT - Change the UK Usenet Documents Ref: Fasttracking Summary of results: =================== PROPOSAL ONE Add text to guidelines passed by a majority of 24:5. PROPOSAL TWO The four options were: 1: explicitly permit guideline fast-tracking 2: explicitly disallow guideline fast-tracking Re-Open Discussion Status Quo STAGE ONE - Options compared to Status Quo: Option 1 preferred to Status Quo by 18 votes to 13 Option 2 preferred to Status Quo by 18 votes to 13 Status Quo preferred to Re-Open Discussion by 19 votes to 11 No options beat Status Quo by at least 12 votes, therefore neither option takes effect and the discussion is not re-opened. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 28th March 1999 Proponent: Rob Felton Primary votetaker: Barry Salter Secondary votetaker: Chris Dickson - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Distribution: uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.net.news.management - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- The Results: The results follow below in the following order: 1) Results 2) Particulars of the Vote 3) Votetakers Comments 4) Voting and Appeal Guidelines 5) Rationale & Proposed Changes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RESULTS: Proposal 1 - Amend "Voting Procedures with the UK hierarchy" Guidelines & "Group Creation within the UK hierarchy" Guidelines YES = 24 = 72.7% NO = 4 = 12.1% ABSTAIN = 5 = 15.2% YES beat NO by a majority of 20 votes, this is more than the +12 majority required to beat the status quo. - ------------------------------ Proposal 2 - Allow amendments to the Guidelines to be fast tracked. RAW PREFERENCES GRID 1 2 SQ ROD 1) Permit fast-track: [n/a] [ 14] [ 18] [ 20] 2) Disallow fast-track: [ 16] [n/a] [ 18] [ 19] Status Quo: [ 13] [ 13] [n/a] [ 19] Re-Open Discussion: [ 12] [ 11] [ 11] [n/a] In this grid, each number represents the number of votes which were cast that preferred the option named in the number's row to the option appropriate to the number's column. For instance, 14 votes preferred option one (permit fast- track) to option two (disallow fast-track) while 12 votes preferred reopening the discussion to option one (permit fast-track). However, as none of the options beat Status Quo by twelve or more preferences, the Condorcet count is irrelevant and Status Quo prevails. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PARTICULARS OF THE VOTE: Proposal 1 Final Vote Ack Voted Yes = 24 votes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- ajtr2~%~cam,ac,uk (Alex Ray) alex-news~%~oenone,demon,co,uk (Alex D. Baxter) billyboy~%~gto,net,om (Bill Davies) c,speed~%~mcc,ac,uk (Claire Speed) chl~%~clw,cs,man,ac,uk (Charles Lindsey) Dave,Sparks~%~sisyphus,demon,co,uk (Dave Sparks) david,mayall~%~ukonline,co,uk (Dave Mayall) duncan~%~brandane,demon,co,uk (Duncan Dewar) jezza~%~hotwells,freeserve,co,uk (Jeremy McNeill) jon,harley~%~warwick,ac,uk (Jon Harley) marysia~%~jadzia,demon,co,uk (Marysia) mike~%~tauzero,demon,co,uk (Mike Fleming) mike~%~tw2,com (Mike Henry) ncf~%~borve,demon,co,uk (Neil Fernandez) pb10003~%~cus,cam,ac,uk (Paul Bolchover) peet~%~dircon,co,uk (Pete Humble) richard~%~corixia,demon,co,uk (Richard Ashton) richard~%~turnpike,com (Richard Clayton) robbie~%~arrakis,nu (Robbie Irvine) swfb~%~bokop,win-uk,net (S.W.F. Borthwick) swinny~%~cix,co,uk (Rob Felton) tgold~%~panix,com (Anthony R. Gold) tmf~%~ecs,soton,ac,uk (Tim Forcer) wish~%~dumain,demon,co,uk (Bill Hay) Voted No = 4 votes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- alex,dawson~%~uea,ac,uk (Alex Dawson) craig~%~poxon,org (Craig Poxon) merlin~%~netlink,co,uk (Darren Wyn Rees) vote-uk~%~kholdan,snafu,de (Tobias Erle) Abstained = 5 votes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- amn~%~ubik,demon,co,uk (Anthony Naggs) andyrobts~%~zetnet,co,uk (Andy Roberts) eaking~%~ulape,demon,co,uk (Edward King) neilc~%~wallaby,cc (Neil Crellin) sjfb~%~cirra,com (SJFBeckwith) Invalid Votes = 0 votes - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- NONE - ------------------------------ Proposal 2 Final Vote Ack The preference legend is an alternative visual interpretation of each vote; options joined by an = were given equal preference; all items to the left of a > were preferred to all items on the right of it. Re-Open Discussion ------+ Status Quo -----+| Option 2 ----+|| Option 1 ---+||| Preference |||| ajtr2~%~cam,ac,uk (Alex Ray) 1432 1 > R > S > 2 alex-news~%~oenone,demon,co,uk (Alex D. Baxter) 4123 2 > S > R > 1 alex,dawson~%~uea,ac,uk (Alex Dawson) 4132 2 > R > S > 1 amn~%~ubik,demon,co,uk (Anthony Naggs) 3214 S > 2 > 1 > R andyrobts~%~zetnet,co,uk (Andy Roberts) 4123 2 > S > R > 1 billyboy~%~gto,net,om (Bill Davies) 1--- 1 > 2 = S = R c,speed~%~mcc,ac,uk (Claire Speed) 1423 1 > S > R > 2 chl~%~clw,cs,man,ac,uk (Charles Lindsey) 1243 1 > 2 > R > S craig~%~poxon,org (Craig Poxon) 4421 R > S > 1 = 2 Dave,Sparks~%~sisyphus,demon,co,uk (Dave Sparks) 4123 2 > S > R > 1 david,mayall~%~ukonline,co,uk (Dave Mayall) 1423 1 > S > R > 2 duncan~%~brandane,demon,co,uk (Duncan Dewar) 3132 2 > R > 1 = S eaking~%~ulape,demon,co,uk (Edward King) 4132 2 > R > S > 1 jezza~%~hotwells,freeserve,co,uk (Jeremy McNeill) 2134 2 > 1 > S > R jon,harley~%~warwick,ac,uk (Jon Harley) 123- 1 > 2 > S > R marysia~%~jadzia,demon,co,uk (Marysia) 2134 2 > 1 > S > R merlin~%~netlink,co,uk (Darren Wyn Rees) --12 S > R > 1 = 2 mike~%~tauzero,demon,co,uk (Mike Fleming) 1423 1 > S > R > 2 mike~%~tw2,com (Mike Henry) 4132 2 > R > S > 1 ncf~%~borve,demon,co,uk (Neil Fernandez) 312- 2 > S > 1 > R neilc~%~wallaby,cc (Neil Crellin) 1423 1 > S > R > 2 pb10003~%~cus,cam,ac,uk (Paul Bolchover) 3124 2 > S > 1 > R peet~%~dircon,co,uk (Pete Humble) 1422 1 > S = R > 2 richard~%~corixia,demon,co,uk (Richard Ashton) 1432 1 > R > S > 2 richard~%~turnpike,com (Richard Clayton) 4132 2 > R > S > 1 robbie~%~arrakis,nu (Robbie Irvine) 1234 1 > 2 > S > R sjfb~%~cirra,com (SJFBeckwith) ---- ABSTAIN swfb~%~bokop,win-uk,net (S.W.F. Borthwick) 1432 1 > R > S > 2 swinny~%~cix,co,uk (Rob Felton) 1-2- 1 > S > 2 = R tgold~%~panix,com (Anthony R. Gold) 4123 2 > S > R > 1 tmf~%~ecs,soton,ac,uk (Tim Forcer) 1324 1 > S > 2 > R vote-uk~%~kholdan,snafu,de (Tobias Erle) 3241 R > 2 > 1 > S wish~%~dumain,demon,co,uk (Bill Hay) 2134 2 > 1 > S > R Note : - = Abstain/No Preference, S = Status Quo, R = Re-Open Discussion - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Votetakers Comments: The vote ran fairly smoothly apart from a couple of people neglecting to put their name and address on the ballot paper. They did, however, rectify the situation when they received the ACK. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- This vote was conducted by a neutral third party member of UKVoting. UKVoting is a group of independent votetakers who count votes on CFVs in the uk hierarchy. The rules under which this vote is taken are posted regularly to uk.net.news.announce or can be found at the following URL: ftp://src.doc.ic.ac.uk/usenet/news-info/news.answers/uk/voting The UKVoting web pages can be found at http://www.ukvoting.org.uk/ There is a five day discussion period after these results are posted to uk.net.news.announce. Allegations of irregularity should be sent to control@usenet.org.uk. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- RATIONALE: (including Summary of Discussion) The following proposals seek to allow multiple proposal documents to be issued for amending the guidelines, and then seeking fast tracking of certain proposals & votes on other proposals.But also gives the option that all changes to any of these documents must automatically be voted upon. And also bring all of the documents in line with the UK Usenet Committee Guidelines. - ---------------------------------------------------------------------- PROPOSALS: Proposal 1 - Amend "Voting Procedures with the UK hierarchy" Guidelines & "Group Creation within the UK hierarchy" Guidelines Add following "Rule Changes" section to the end of each document ADD: Rule Changes Any changes to these rules, or those in the companion documents, shall be proposed in an RFD in accordance with the GUIDELINES FOR GROUP CREATION WITHIN THE UK HIERARCHY, insofar as they are applicable. RFDs for rule changes shall be discussed in the newsgroup uk.net.news.management, and this will be the definitive record of discussion. Proposal 2 - Allow amendments to the Guidelines to be fast tracked. Option 1: Section 1 - Amend "THE UK USENET COMMITTEE" Guidelines Rule Changes Section REPLACE If the change is trivial, or an obvious consensus has emerged, then the "fast track" method may be invoked. However, if a petition to have a Vote is received from 4 or more people, then the matter shall be decided by vote. WITH If the change is trivial, or an obvious consensus has emerged, then the "fast track" method may be requested for one or more of the proposal(s) in the RFD. However, if a petition to have a Vote is received from 4 or more people, then the matter shall be decided by a vote. Section 2 - Amend "Voting Procedures with the UK hierarchy" Guidelines & "Group Creation within the UK hierarchy" Guidelines ADD: If the change is trivial, or an obvious consensus has emerged, then the "fast track" method may be requested for one or more of the proposal(s) in the RFD. However, if a petition to have a Vote is received from 4 or more people, then the matter shall be decided by a vote. Option 2: Section 1 - Amend "THE UK USENET COMMITTEE" Guidelines Rule Changes Section REPLACE If the change is trivial, or an obvious consensus has emerged, then the "fast track" method may be invoked. However, if a petition to have a Vote is received from 4 or more people, then the matter shall be decided by vote. WITH Any proposed change to this document should be decided by a vote. Section 2 - Amend "Voting Procedures with the UK hierarchy" Guidelines & "Group Creation within the UK hierarchy" Guidelines ADD: Any proposed change to this document should be decided by a vote. - -----8<-----C-U-T--H-E-R-E----->8----- - -- Barry K A Salter, b.salter@ukvoting.org.uk Posting as a member of UKVoting PGP Key ID: 0x02C5AC93, available from key servers -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: 2.6 iQCVAgUBNxh5qmOfGXkh8vHZAQFQWAP9GxStyi3djwKkuyk5eGJtRCclTZpJz97L p/GzjVGqwqDzN9p5zIhfwRqDx9A4FN3rOAYXqr6C8I9KFOm/xJuvqVLy9Jpgo/xU t2dxK4VCWfZou3DSDyhq2wb7BwddX/PGQZh1kgBk6+9n8ibVBSUCt5in1Y7dFwS5 p77YPvC8XBk= =BuWV -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----