16 Sep 1999: uk.education.openuniversity

From: swinny@cix.compulink.co.uk (Robert Felton)
Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:29:20 GMT
Subject: RESULT - Create uk.education.openuniversity PASSES 69:6
Newsgroups: uk.net.news.announce,uk.net.news.config,uk.education.misc,alt.education.distance,misc.education



Summary: Creating new newsgroup uk.education.openuniversity

Create of newsgroup uk.education.openuniversity PASSES 69:6

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Voting closed at 23:59:59 GMT, 6th June 1999.

Proponent: mark@townshend-wise.freeserve.co.uk (Mark Townshend)
Votetaker: votequestion@swinny.cix.co.uk (Rob Felton)

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uk.net.news.announce, uk.net.news.config, uk.education.misc,    
alt.education.distance, misc.education

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The Results:

The results follow below in the following order:

1) Result
2) Particulars of the Vote
3) Votetakers comments
4) Voting and Appeal guidelines
5) Rationale & Newsgroup charter

PROPOSAL - Creating new newsgroup uk.education.openuniversity

YES = 69
NO = 6

YES beat NO by a majority of 63 votes, and this is more than the +12
majority required to beat the status quo.

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The Particulars of the Vote


Abby                      abbys@tinet.e""i
Alex Dawson               alex.dawson@ueac@au@k
Andrew Plant              andrew@nethercourt.demonku,oc##
Andy Mabbett              andy@pigsonthewing.demonku,oc##
Ann Chanas                a.chanas@dial.pipex@moc@
Barry Salter              barrykas@salterg.demonku,oc##
Bill Davies               billyboy@gto.omten
Bob Clark                 clark@brutele#bee
Brett Paul Dunbar         brett@dimetrodon.demonku,oc##
Bruce Mardle              bruce@algol.demonku,oc##
C Neil Bauers             nbauers@samphire.demonku,oc##
Chris Fynn                cfynn@dirconku,oc##
Chris Keen                vote@aimless.demonku,oc##
Christine Reardon         creardon@rmplc#ten
Claire Speed              c.speed@mccc@au@k
Colin Watson              cjw44@camc@au@k
Dave Hughes               troubleshooter@claraku,oc##
Dave Mayall               david.mayall@ukonlineku,oc##
David Bloor               david@bloor.demonku,oc##
David Damerell            damerell@chiark.greenend*ku&&gro
David Emmerson            dave@montecristo.demonku,oc##
Dominic Cooper-Borthwick  zig@zagz.freeserveku,oc##
Doug Weller               dweller@ramtops.demonku,oc##
Duncan Reid               dunc@thermal.u-net@moc@
Eddie Hallahan            eddy.hallahan@strathc@au@k
Edward King               eaking@ulape.demonku,oc##
Glynn Bradley             Glynn@euphony.demonku,oc##
Gordon Millner            gordon@geecomp.demonku,oc##
Graham Nye                graham@tyndale.demonku,oc##
Gus Wilson                gucz@mj-12.demonku,oc##
Guy Morgan                ou@onelight.demonku,oc##
Ian Coghlan               ian_coghlan@bigfoot@moc@
Ian Peattie               ian@john-richardku,oc##
Imran Ghory               ImranG@btinternet@moc@
John Bennett              caliban@which#ten
John Cartmell             john@cartmell.demonku,oc##
Jonathan Tait             jonathan@tait41.freeserveku,oc##
julie.fox                 julie.fox@virgin?ten
Kevin                     user@scenery.freeserveku,oc##
Livia Mitson              livia@wheelwright*etn
Mark Goodge               mark@good-stuffku,oc##
Mark Townshend            mark@townshend-wise.freeserveku,oc##
Markus Needham            Markus_Needham@germars.freeserveku,oc##
Matthew Malthouse         matthew.malthouse@guardianku,oc##
Michael McMullin          mcmullin@iol.e""i
Michael Parry             michael@cavrdg.demonku,oc##
Mike James                mike.james@infomax.demonku,oc##
Neil Tungate              neil@skipper.demonku,oc##
Nigel Mercier             ndm.usenet99@iname@moc@
Pam Willoughby            pjw106@yorkc@au@k
Paul Bolchover            pb10003@cus.camc@au@k
Peter Murphy              pete@ento.demonku,oc##
Peter Parry               peter@wppltd.demonku,oc##
Philip Hunt               philh@vision25.demonku,oc##
Philip Powell             philip@blencathra.demonku,oc##
Philip Preston            philip@preston20.freeserveku,oc##
Raina Cooper-Borthwick    raina@herkeyboard.freeserveku,oc##
Rachel Chilton            rachel.chilton@infomax.demonku,oc#
Stephen Gates             sgates@lineone?ten
Steve Lewin               slewin@claraku,oc##
STEVE PEAKE               puppet@dial.pipex<>moc
Steve Wright              steve@wrightnet.demonku,oc##
Sue Melvin                sue.melvin@lineone+etn
Susan Ashton              susan@ashton.demonku,oc##
The Ancient Geek          geek@bedlam.u-net,co@m
Thom Baguley              t.s.baguley@lboro@caku
Tim Harrison              tim@tlharr.freeserveku,co##
William Boughton          bill@xencat.demonku,co##


Bernice Lane              wolf@wolfdog@moc@
Gary Lane                 admin@payles@moc@
Inger Klostergaard        inger@post4.dk~tele
Martin Matthews           martin@kernow1999.freeserveku,oc##
sfleenor                  sfleenor@naxs@moc@
simon gray                simon@star-one*ku&&gro


James Coupe               james@obeah.demonku,oc##
James Farrar              james.farrar@icc@au@k


No vote intention indicated on ballot paper

Fenny                     yorks.lass@net.ntl##moc*

No email address on ballot paper

tobias erle

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Votetakers Notes:

I apologise to the delay in counting this vote.

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The Open University is a well established distance learning
organisation, there are many thousands of students and as yet no public
news group.

Some courses provide "Firstclass" a web based package with news
facilites, but this is often full of non OU related postings and a vast
number of them.

This news group will be for those students who do not have Firstclass or
do not like it, or even non-students who are interested in the OU.  I
see this group being used to bring together students on a national (or
international) level, for coursework queries and discussion of courses
and qualifications.

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The first RFD I proposed was misc.education.open-university this was 
discussed for a brief period with the committee at isc. Their advice
was that a 15 charcter name would be a first and could result in long 
delays in the process, they also suggested that an alt. or uk. group
would be a faster route and a more appropriate place for such a group.

The second RFD I proposed was alt.education.openuniversity this was
discussed for a couple of weeks in alt.config. The concensus of the 
discussion was that the UK Open University may be confused with other
countries open universities without additional clarification.
It was also frequently discussed that the reputation of the alt.
heirachy was limitting the propagation of alt. groups among news group

The third RFD I proposed was uk.education.openuniversity this was
discussed for 40 days in uk.net.news.config on the whole the responses
where good, the only objections where on the grounds of propagation of
the uk. heirachy outside the UK, there were two objectors on this basis
I posted a survey to a number of international groups to assess the
international support for the uk. heirachy, I received responses from
many countries outside the UK including most of the major countries who
offer Open University courses.

The fourth RFD I proposed was misc.education.openuniversity this
was discussed for 30 day in news.groups the majority of responses to
this RFD were that the group should be in the uk heirachy and that
the confusion between no-UK open universities would again be a problem.
The response was so vehemently against the group being in misc. that I
withdrew the RFD before a vote was taken and proceeded with the uk.

I requested a Fast-Track of uk.education.openuniversity which failed
due to objections from the two previous objectors and two others.

The group is now goin to a vote.

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Appropriate topics for uk.education.openuniversity include questions and
comments about Open University courses, assignment queries, coursework,
setting up of local (or national) on line study groups and general
queries about the Open University.

Binaries should be linked by a URL or FTP address and not posted to the

Advertisements are not permitted but "Wanted:" posts are permitted and 
should be relevant to the OU or the interests of it's students.

Postings relating to a particular subject should begin with the course
code for that subject if known e.g M353: or OUSA:.

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Swinny - Rob Felton
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